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  • We don't need armoured bodies (but nice to have option), top cover etc
    AML 127 did the same job ....
    Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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    • except trying to superglue one back together
      yeah remember that alright, brush guards for lights were poor enough, but the bumpers were like railway tracks. A certainly lady with the same surname as an apc drove through a raised firing point with only paint damage to the bumper.. have photo some where, will post!!!
      Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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      • Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post

        In other News Ireland buys G wagens....................

        was the news some years ago when two were purchased to use as ambulances, but again the bodies fitted were over ambitous and had poor off road as a result but the were considered well capable and remained in service for about 15 years.
        Mmmmmmmmmm,,,,,,,,G Wagen
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        By hotter winds our fiery hearts are fanned,
        For lust of knowing what should not be known,
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        • Originally posted by RoyalGreenJacket View Post
          i can't believe using a Ford Transit (in any basic configuration) is being considered as a vehicle fit to perform any sort of Armed Escort Duty.

          unless you armour it up, put 2 men on Top Cover in the back compartment, stick bench seats in the middle with those in the passenger compartment facing outwards towards the armoured / bullet-proof glass doors - then NO!
          I'd tend to agree, and probably even better with an enclosed Armoured body, Ring mount or RWS on top,30" rims, run flats and maybe a turret?

          All of a sudden your common or garden Transit is a Hover Transit.....................or the Mechanically propelled Vehicular version of Triggers brush.

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          • You know what? Transit All Wheel Drive as its called is not that bad at all.

            Its no MB Unimog but it would give old Pajero a run for its money on a decent set of tire's. GS, FFR, CSW,,,,,,,,

            The Awd Transit . Ford Commercial Event by Inside Track
            We travel not for trafficking alone,
            By hotter winds our fiery hearts are fanned,
            For lust of knowing what should not be known,
            We make the Golden Journey to Samarkand.

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            • Originally posted by DeV View Post
              DeV

              Just had another look. That's actually quiet impressive. Look like normal road tires and it is after all a van. 20 seconds in has it doing a hill start on a 30 ish degree crap covered slope. Some of the ruts it wades through would test the Pajero . That's not bad going at all in fairness.
              We travel not for trafficking alone,
              By hotter winds our fiery hearts are fanned,
              For lust of knowing what should not be known,
              We make the Golden Journey to Samarkand.

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              • Originally posted by FMP View Post
                DeV

                Just had another look. That's actually quiet impressive. Look like normal road tires and it is after all a van. 20 seconds in has it doing a hill start on a 30 ish degree crap covered slope. Some of the ruts it wades through would test the Pajero . That's not bad going at all in fairness.
                Now just marry the AWD to the dual rear wheels, add a snorkel - and yer all terrain frankentransit is complete :P

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                • Originally posted by pym View Post
                  Now just marry the AWD to the dual rear wheels, add a snorkel - and yer all terrain frankentransit is complete :P
                  Well that is actually how they used to do the old Transit 4 x 4, big old rigid axles and coil springs too. All gone euro environment friendly 4 motion technology now.
                  We travel not for trafficking alone,
                  By hotter winds our fiery hearts are fanned,
                  For lust of knowing what should not be known,
                  We make the Golden Journey to Samarkand.

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                  • In fairness to the DF, broadly speaking they have standardised on the Transit for a good few roles. But there is more they could take on (doing significant cross country work should not be 1 of them)

                    I'm sure there are a number of variants of the Transit in service (which isn't ideal but there will be some commonality).
                    They could take on other roles.

                    But it proves the advantages of it, they just have to do it for the GS/FFR

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                    • FMP
                      your transit is in the following roles in the DF including ambulance, EOD, MP van, cold van

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                      • Originally posted by RoyalGreenJacket View Post
                        such a vehicle for such a task should be incomprehensible from the outset.

                        you cannot be 'on task' while sat in the back of a Transit - it is a means of getting from A to B and has no tactical value at all. one burst of automatic fire and men will be WIA / KIA.

                        as i have stated many many times before - you need a tactical vehicle you can actually return fire from with a degree of protection to carry out this task properly.

                        anything else (including the current fleet of green taxis being used for the job) should be considered unfit for purpose.

                        we've made lots of mistakes in equipment and learned through experience from getting bitten many times and adapting accordingly, but even back in the 70's, 80's and 90's we were always adapting vehicles to the task in hand:







                        i am not saying Land Rover is the answer here (for CIT) - but a vehicle that you can sustain a few rounds in and survive and be able to return fire from immediately and at all times is (Snatch was the perfect Escort Vehicle in Northen Ireland).

                        given that CIT is a routine task for ONH, they should have a vehicle fit for purpose to complete this task successfully if ever put to the test and this should be a massive priority of the consideration for any new vehicle platform.

                        i conducted Escort Duties in Northern Ireland in this:


                        (yes that is me in the pic)

                        i would not want to conduct Escort Duties in this:



                        or even worse this!:



                        ONH are so far very fortunate in this task - because they've never been bitten.

                        What experience does your lot have in CIT? Genuine question.
                        For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                        • This obsession with cit is funny, with emerging card and mobile technology there will be fewer cash duties in the years to come.

                          This g wagon obsession is also really puzzling, what people are forgetting is that G wagons and landrovers were essentially found out during the skirmishes in iraq and afghanistan, and are rarely used anymore outside of bases.

                          And if you look at armies like the Dutch who have a large fleet of g wagons, they're in the process of introducing civilian amarok crew cabs to replace them to save money that they can put towards protected light vehicles for overseas duties.
                          Last edited by paul g; 13 June 2014, 20:50.

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                          • There's no EOD tranny .
                            there's a few work shop trannies used by ordnance , crew cabs and normal van types.
                            Last edited by kaiser; 13 June 2014, 19:34.

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                            • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                              FMP
                              your transit is in the following roles in the DF including ambulance, EOD, MP van, cold van
                              ...stores, band equipment...
                              "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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                              • Originally posted by kaiser View Post
                                There's no EOD tranny .
                                there's a few work shop trannies used by ordnance , crew cabs and normal van types.
                                Of course even the IVECO Ord wagons are being gradually replaced by Scanias...
                                "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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