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  • #16
    Mowag Eagle?
    For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by The real Jack View Post
      How did they not notice this when they were trialling it?
      You would certainly expect this to be the case, but having been on more than one board for trialling new equipment in my time I think I have figured out how the process works.

      1. A need for new equipment/kit/vehicles/other is identified by the army after a soldier has been injured by existing equipment or existing equipment becomes too expensive to maintain or the manufacturer is no longer making parts for it.

      2. The army select a senior officer, no more than 3 years from retirement to find the 3 cheapest and poorly made variants of the required piece of kit.

      3. A board of experts is convened to trial all three. In the case of the pajero's this board most likely consisted of the most experienced and capable officer and NCO instructors from the Transport and Vehicle Maintenance School as well as selected suitably trained personnel from other service corps.

      4. The board will test and trial each of the three options under various criteria such as safety, performance, interoperability with current kit, maintenance costs etc.

      5. The board will then submit a full and detailed report outline the pro's and con's of each option and they will also submit a recommendation based on their years of experience.

      6. The army will buy the cheapest one.

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      • #18
        The amazing thing about G wagons is they could standardise the whole 4x4 fleet on them, but the Army only buys piecemeal not multiyear contracts. There's petrol automatic nissans, manual diesel nissans, RHD nissans, Armoured nissans, Pajeros and a hodgepodge mix of crew cabs at the mo + others.
        Everyone who's ever loved you was wrong.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Tango_Charlie View Post
          You would certainly expect this to be the case, but having been on more than one board for trialling new equipment in my time I think I have figured out how the process works.

          1. A need for new equipment/kit/vehicles/other is identified by the army after a soldier has been injured by existing equipment or existing equipment becomes too expensive to maintain or the manufacturer is no longer making parts for it.

          2. The army select a senior officer, no more than 3 years from retirement to find the 3 cheapest and poorly made variants of the required piece of kit.

          3. A board of experts is convened to trial all three. In the case of the pajero's this board most likely consisted of the most experienced and capable officer and NCO instructors from the Transport and Vehicle Maintenance School as well as selected suitably trained personnel from other service corps.

          4. The board will test and trial each of the three options under various criteria such as safety, performance, interoperability with current kit, maintenance costs etc.

          5. The board will then submit a full and detailed report outline the pro's and con's of each option and they will also submit a recommendation based on their years of experience.

          6. The army will buy the cheapest one.

          More likely, the civil serpents on the board will stick in there two pence worth to act the boll%x and you end up with a bit of kit that is less then what the Army is looking for.
          Last edited by sofa; 21 May 2014, 22:50.

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          • #20
            The trick is to word the tender in such way that only the item you are looking for, and know is best for the job, can be selected.
            For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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            • #21
              Crew cabs?????????

              No way!!!!!!!1

              I've been in many a crew cab. The front is grand but you need to be a midget with skinny legs to sit in the back.

              They make the Pajero seem spacious.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Saab View Post
                Crew cabs?????????

                No way!!!!!!!1

                I've been in many a crew cab. The front is grand but you need to be a midget with skinny legs to sit in the back.

                They make the Pajero seem spacious.
                As I said
                Get a pickup with crew cab big enough for 4 adult european humans
                They are out there. Not all are designed for lower limb amputees.
                For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
                  Mowag Eagle?


                  Think it is the Eagle

                  Details from this old thread.

                  http://forum.irishmilitaryonline.com...umvee-on-Trial
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                  • #24
                    Did they not trial this baby ?

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                    • #25
                      The URO would have been the right job for overseas as they could have used an add-on armor kit.
                      What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Bam Bam View Post


                        Think it is the Eagle

                        Details from this old thread.

                        http://forum.irishmilitaryonline.com...umvee-on-Trial
                        That's a HUMVEE or similar

                        They would be overkill for the role as a general runabout.
                        Too expensive in terms of purchase price and running costs

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by DeV View Post
                          That's a HUMVEE or similar

                          They would be overkill for the role as a general runabout.
                          Too expensive in terms of purchase price and running costs
                          Yeah, I'd imagine the Vamtec isn't the cheapest, in 08 the Malaysians paid about €172,000 ea for 85 of them, I've no idea of the spec or level of ballistic protection is included in that, and they do about 6KM to the litre.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
                            Surely the days of using civilian vehicles in a military role is gone. ...Patrols, Land Cruisers , even Rangers are fine for bringing the pony to the gymkana with Lottie and her chums Tiffany and Quentin, but were never designed to allow 4 or more fully equipped soldiers travel and egress the vehicle in a tactical manner.
                            i've highlighted this point many many times here - in particular regarding how they are employed in the CIT escort role, but many seem to think it is adequate, while like yourself - i feel it is far from fit for purpose for such a task.

                            i would not expect to use our Ford Rangers for such a task and i would raise concerns if i was asked to do so, but i would still deem Snatch / APV very suitable for such task.
                            Last edited by RoyalGreenJacket; 22 May 2014, 13:37.
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                            • #29
                              HUMVEE gets around 17 mpg, Pajero gets around 21 mpg

                              Snatch has a max speed of 97 kph, it's possibly too slow

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                              • #30
                                That vehicle above, I think, is a Spanish vehicle which was on trial a few years ago. Think it was 2006. Got a photo of it in McKee Bks at the time...
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