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  • #46
    FMP,
    You are right is much of what you say, transport procurement is baffling!

    Every 5 years or so the DF seems to enter a new contract for a light 4x4 to be delivered over 3 years. Just decide what specs are required, do extremely intensive trials over an extended period and enter a purchasing (and full life support) contract for around 15 years (if one is boarded in that time we replace with the same). It must be COTS, ideally MOTS, we can't afford (and the risk is too high) to be a launch customer doing our own R&D etc.

    We currently have a situation where there are at least 2 makes, at least 4 models, all with different training, spares etc.

    What do we need the vehicle to do? Utility, runabout, CP, ATCP, crew served wpns carrier (in trailer), 120 prime mover etc. But what roles could it take over? Staff car, OP, wpns mounted vehicle (eg A/T Plns, ARW etc), light panel van (replace the connect), ambulance (replace the LR), large panel van (replace the transit). You would need to do a cost benefit on some of these, eg a transit may be a lot cheaper.

    The problem is the bulk of the time will be spent on Irish roads (but maybe with a more capable vehicle that would change). We need a light 4x4 GS/FFR that is robust, spacious (comfort/stores), good on-road and off-road, hard top, air con (comfort and overseas), NATO trailer hitch & lighting system, able to carry at least 4/5 troops with light/heavy scales, 24V power, aerial & radio mounts. What options do we want to include? Soft top, small and large panel van, weapons mounts, ambulance, crew cab etc etc.

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    • #47
      because they captured them from the Argentinians. they didn't have them to bring them there.It is a matter of record that several were kept going by the new owners and even made it back to the UK, because the new users liked them very much and certain senior officers tried to eh, acquire them for themselves....the G-wagen is expensive and dates from the age of the dinsosaur and for many years was only built to order because it was too expensive for civvie operators. Another one to be considered is the Pinzgauer?

      regards
      GttC

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      • #48
        Pinz or duro would make an awful lot of sense as long as they can be made reasonably comfortable for ATCP.
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        • #49
          They are are a light-medium 4x4 truck, not a utility 4x4 like a Landrover

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          • #50
            they don't make pinzgauer anymore. its out of production, and the british are planning its replacement

            look at the dutch, they've opted for the VW amarok commercial vehicle slightly modiffied to replace their g WAGONS.

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            • #51
              off we go to Holland, to pick up a surplus G wagon....

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              • #52
                Originally posted by paul g View Post
                they don't make pinzgauer anymore. its out of production, and the british are planning its replacement

                look at the dutch, they've opted for the VW amarok commercial vehicle slightly modiffied to replace their g WAGONS.

                http://www.janes.com/article/31556/d...pts-for-amarok
                200,000 km? don't make me laugh.............

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by northie View Post
                  200,000 km? don't make me laugh.............
                  I would imagine that that is the limit, ie if they reach that milage in the 10 years they will be taken out of service

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by DeV View Post
                    I would imagine that that is the limit, ie if they reach that milage in the 10 years they will be taken out of service
                    Certain DF units have vehicles reach that in half the projected service life of these dutch vehicles!

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                    • #55
                      But others wouldn't hence rotation could be a good idea

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by madmark View Post
                        g-wagon range would be a good fit for the defence forces with the 4x4 and 6x6

                        http://www.mb-military-vehicles.com/...ilitary_en.pdf
                        The one on the cover page is the Canadian version. We've had them for about ten years now, they're good vehicles.
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                        • #57
                          They use them to recce the route of the Dakar Rally. This used to be a Pajero only job.
                          For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                          • #58
                            120 thousand miles on a Merc engine? easy. i'd have one in a heartbeat.

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                              Originally posted by Saab View Post

                              Interesting about the g-wagon.
                              If you read the spec sheet.
                              It has a narrower track, shorter wheel base, lower ground clearance and similar cab width to the Pajero.
                              Aren't they all the things people complain about?
                              So how exactly does that make it better?
                              Lower ground clearance when fitted with factory tyres, put BFG 265/70/16 on em like the Canadians and Australians do and you have massive ground clearance. Not only that but huge approach and departure angles. The Mitsubishi is shaped like a rugby ball, curves inwards, the G Wagon looks like a brick, straight walls. Straight walls = more internal space. Rugby ball = less internal space. Not science just a fact. The Mitsubishi is a civilian vehicle full of civilian shite designed to take hubby wife 3 kids the dogs and a weekends worth of holiday luggage. The G Wagon (in question) was designed from the ground up for military users, all the crap ripped out of it to ensure 4 fully equipped bods cann sit in it in safety and comfort (the station wagon version) and with plenty of room for all the military shite in the back.Click image for larger version

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                                Smaller than the Mitsubishi?
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                                By hotter winds our fiery hearts are fanned,
                                For lust of knowing what should not be known,
                                We make the Golden Journey to Samarkand.

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