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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_FAL

    "Ireland -[22] Used as the service rifle of the Irish Defence Forces from 1961 (starting with UN service in the Congo) until 1989 when it was replaced by the Steyr AUG. The Irish Naval Service still use the FN FAL for line throwing. In 2011, the Irish Army re-introducing an upgraded and modified version of the FN FAL as a sniper support weapon.[42]
    Israel - Produced under license. Used by the Israeli Army from 1955 until 1972. Officially replaced by IMI Galil and M16.[38]"
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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyrdf View Post
    Yes, the FN was issued to the the troops in Jadotville.
    Sean Foleys book sets out the introduction of the FN. Sean wasnt shy to use his one at Jado.

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    Looks well done from the trailer. It could play a major part in raising the DF profile. Anybody know if any of the terrestrial channels might run with it?
    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
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    Can anyone verify the lad with the lee enfield w/scope firing at the church bell to warn everyone else?

    Seems far fetched
    To close with and kill the enemy in all weather conditions, night and day and over any terrain

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    Did we have pips in those days?

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    According to my recollection of Rose Doyle's book, it was a Sgt out shaving while the rest were at mass who warned of the attack, he did so by opening up with a Vickers MMG at a jeep, not a rifle at a bell.
    Im Ron Burgendy??

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    It does look a wee bit Hollywood, but Jaysus do I have a horn for that film.

    About fkin time.
    I knew a simple soldier boy.....
    Who grinned at life in empty joy,
    Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
    And whistled early with the lark.

    In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
    With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
    He put a bullet through his brain.
    And no one spoke of him again.

    You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
    Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
    Sneak home and pray you'll never know
    The hell where youth and laughter go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sofa View Post
    Did we have pips in those days?
    Check out the 1944 to 1971 section:-

    http://www.irishmilitaryinsignia.com...nce%201924.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Connaught Stranger View Post
    Check out the 1944 to 1971 section:-

    http://www.irishmilitaryinsignia.com...nce%201924.htm
    Hope some mention is made of the casualties in the relief efforts.

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    My only gripe with the trailer is the Heli used was not a Huey, it was a Chicksaw/ Whirlwind type
    German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
    German 2: Private? I am a general!
    German 1: That is the bad news.

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    Not many of those left flying though I'd imagine.
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    Indeed. I only know of museum based versions.
    German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
    German 2: Private? I am a general!
    German 1: That is the bad news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyrdf View Post
    Yes, the FN was issued to the the troops in Jadotville.
    FN, Bren, Vickers MG, Carl Gustav M45 SMG and Gustav 84mm. 60mm mortars were also used during the engagement. 81mm mortars were available to the Irish in ONUC, but not at Jadotville, unfortunately. Even though they were resupplied with 81mm ammo.
    German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
    German 2: Private? I am a general!
    German 1: That is the bad news.

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    Were there any usps on issue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    My only gripe with the trailer is the Heli used was not a Huey, it was a Chicksaw/ Whirlwind type
    Is there also a Bren firing at 1.06 without a magazine?
    I knew a simple soldier boy.....
    Who grinned at life in empty joy,
    Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
    And whistled early with the lark.

    In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
    With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
    He put a bullet through his brain.
    And no one spoke of him again.

    You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
    Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
    Sneak home and pray you'll never know
    The hell where youth and laughter go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    FN, Bren, Vickers MG, Carl Gustav M45 SMG and Gustav 84mm. 60mm mortars were also used during the engagement. 81mm mortars were available to the Irish in ONUC, but not at Jadotville, unfortunately. Even though they were resupplied with 81mm ammo.
    Sounds a bit of a nightmare from a resupply point of view, which I'm sure didn't help.
    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
    http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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    Yes, the only resupply that got through (The Heli) had contaminated water and 81mm mortar ammo.
    German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
    German 2: Private? I am a general!
    German 1: That is the bad news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    Yes, the only resupply that got through (The Heli) had contaminated water and 81mm mortar ammo.
    Cock-up or Conspiracy?
    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
    http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flamingo View Post
    Cock-up or Conspiracy?
    I've never encountered a UN job that was competent enough to need any conspiracy to cause it problems - its natural ability to **** anything up meant that even attempting a conspiracy would end in failure...

    Contaminated water is sadly easy enough to do, and I don't doubt the 81mm went on the chopper as what was immediately to hand when someone said 'mortars'.

    We have ammo bundles that are ready packaged - X quantity of 5.56, Y quantity of 7.62, Z quantity of 40mm grenades etc... This is probably the same thing, with the assumption that when someone said 'mortars' what was meant was 81mm...

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    The coy was equipped with 81mm mortars, but they were being used on another op on that occasion. The water was also unfortunate. Jerricans were filled with water, but they had been used for fuel prior to that, and had not been cleaned out.
    Just finished Rose Doyle's book myself last week. an excellent read, consisting of diary entries and letters written contemporaneously by Cft. Quinlan.
    German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
    German 2: Private? I am a general!
    German 1: That is the bad news.

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    Under the "what if" heading, if a proper resupply had got through, would they have held out for long enough for the Katanganese forces to fall apart?
    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
    http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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    Richie Smyth’s The Siege of Jadotville, the story of the Irish battalion that fought during the 1961 UN intervention in the Congo, is to receive a limited theatrical release in Ireland and Britain from September 19th.
    The film was produced for the Netflix streaming service by Parallel Films.
    Element Pictures, another Irish distribution and production company, will distribute The Siege of Jadotville in these territories before its Netflix debut on October 7th.
    At this year’s Galway Film Fleadh, where the movie premiered, Leo Quinlan, the commandant’s son, confirmed that the Government was to issue a unit citation to the Jadotville defenders, more than half a century after the event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flamingo View Post
    Under the "what if" heading, if a proper resupply had got through, would they have held out for long enough for the Katanganese forces to fall apart?
    A resupply would only have been successful if it was followed with immediate all arms support. Enough Ammo and water for the coy to continue fighting until support in numbers arrived. Air support was offered by Ethiopia, but blocked from overflying Kenya by the British. Cft. Quinlan repeatedly requested support. However the UN Operation Morthor in Elisabethville meant all Katangese forces were now between Jadotville and Lufira Bridge. Any support would have to get through them first, and casualties would be inevitably high.
    The real question remains as to why A Coy were sent to Jadotville in the first place, unaware of Morthor, and unwanted by the well armed local white population it was sent to protect.
    German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
    German 2: Private? I am a general!
    German 1: That is the bad news.

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    An ex-member of "A" Coy on Facebook has said that they never had Vicker's HMG's mounted on land-rovers,

    and that the only Vicker's in "A" Coy at Jadotville were ground mounted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Connaught Stranger View Post
    An ex-member of "A" Coy on Facebook has said that they never had Vicker's HMG's mounted on land-rovers,

    and that the only Vicker's in "A" Coy at Jadotville were ground mounted.
    They had Ford armoured cars as I recall

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