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    In an ideal, sensible world yes....but this is the army! so no!

    in all seriousness though, stand collars would be a huge improvement. They always look smarter and more uniform when in a group.

    i'd second a better material too. superfine's would be great if possible. again for uniformity overall. and i would keep the colour. it is after all the historical colour (or as close as) as the Irish Volunteers.

    two things I'd suggest though would be different colured patches behind beret cap badge (have said this already some other thread) to identify corps. more relevant now day to day with DPM. and then on the SD trousers a thin strip the same colour running down the leg. in SD 1s individual units are identified by flashes and lanyards but Corps only by collar badges. it would add a little colour to the uniform without being too over the top. the Cav presidential escort has shown a little what it could be like with the red trim on their tunics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FMP View Post
    While I am very bias I do believe the Royal Irish No 1 in piper green fits the bill to a T .

    Good old LI and RGJ's have something similar.

    Please don't go peaked hats!!!! Shite looking unless your in the Guards Reg and you slash the peak.


    Somehow i dont think any Irish soldier wants to look like a Brithish soldier!!!!!!!!!

    An Irish uniform should be distinctly Irish. Peaked hats are a tradition going back to the founding of the National army in 1921.

    The present uniform just updated to a better material, including that wierd tie... would be the best option IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by X-RayOne View Post
    In an ideal, sensible world yes....but this is the army! so no!

    in all seriousness though, stand collars would be a huge improvement. They always look smarter and more uniform when in a group.

    i'd second a better material too. superfine's would be great if possible. again for uniformity overall. and i would keep the colour. it is after all the historical colour (or as close as) as the Irish Volunteers.

    two things I'd suggest though would be different colured patches behind beret cap badge (have said this already some other thread) to identify corps. more relevant now day to day with DPM. and then on the SD trousers a thin strip the same colour running down the leg. in SD 1s individual units are identified by flashes and lanyards but Corps only by collar badges. it would add a little colour to the uniform without being too over the top. the Cav presidential escort has shown a little what it could be like with the red trim on their tunics.
    Is that a good use of taxpayers money?

    It is hard enough to get kit anyway imagine what it would be like for a smaller corps eg a combat service support corps, most would probably have less than 300 personnel in the corps

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    A set of superfines cost in the region of €1k, so you can rule them out straight away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Is that a good use of taxpayers money?

    It is hard enough to get kit anyway imagine what it would be like for a smaller corps eg a combat service support corps, most would probably have less than 300 personnel in the corps
    I doubt a couple of hundred different coloured felt squares for berets would break the DF budget.....probably wouldn't cost as much as the extra Defence Forces Ireland patches that weren't needed, or the large tri-colours that replaced the perfectly servicable small tri-colours, or the red and gold general staff rank markers that replaced the subdued DPM compatible general staff rank markers

    somebody asked for suggestions how to improve/change SDs.....it's nice to dream. we've being doing it on the hover tank thread for years
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    Quote Originally Posted by X-RayOne
    somebody asked for suggestions how to improve/change SDs.....it's nice to dream. we've being doing it on the hover tank thread for years
    It may not be just a nice notion. About 4 weeks ago every member of our unit was measured, head, neck, chest, waist, hips and inside leg, it was a rush request from on high so maybe somebody wants us looking all shiney and new for 1916 celebrations.
    In reality they would probably put everyone in a new set of SDs for the commemorations anyway, so its a perfect time for something new
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    Nope.That was for the new online clothing size roll for the DF. Those sizes will be entered on the PMS and will inform stock ordering and management going forward. Their are also plans for an electronic 245B.The reason it was a rush job is that the whole DF was supposed to have been sized by the end of July.Obviously that didn't happen.
    The modern Irish soldier is better educated,trained and equipped then any any other generation that has gone before.


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    I seriously wonder how this army can do anything at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F_M View Post
    I seriously wonder how this army can do anything at all.
    Funnily enough they have been able to function since 1921.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A/TEL View Post
    Somehow i dont think any Irish soldier wants to look like a Brithish soldier!!!!!!!!!

    An Irish uniform should be distinctly Irish. Peaked hats are a tradition going back to the founding of the National army in 1921.
    It was actually just the piper green colour and mandarin collar I was discussing in that post. Very Irish Citizen Army, who did actually have a uniform very like the R Irish ones in the picture, which are like the LI ones, which are like the RGJ ones,,,,,,,maybe a slouch hat as worn by the ICA and the various flying columns on top of that piper green, now that would be distinctly Irish. But you would probably harp on about Australia, Gurkha's, bloody British empire and all the rest. No pleasing some people.

    However now that you mentioned "look like a British soldier!!!!!!", the Free State Army circa 1921 were all kitted out Tommy Atkins style. Looking exactly like the British army in fact. Peaked cap an all. So a bit of confusion is to be expected.

    Mind you the DF still do today. Colour slightly different, cut, style, officers, OR's, peaked cap, all the same though, hard to tell the bloody difference sometimes. If one didn't know the little differences, one would think you look like a British soldier!!!!!!.

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    Couple of more for you to ponder.

    Two Irish ones from circa 1938, handover of Spike island.

    The three brit ones are circa 1914-1918.

    "Holy Moses"

    Same caps, same mandarin collar tunic, same breeches, same leather puttees, same leather bandolier, even the bloody spurs as worn by the chap in Brit b. his walking out dress.

    Two sets of photos of two different armies taken 20 years apart, but the men in them look the same. Distinctly,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, British
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    Any more word on this lads?

    Have some mates who were on a course and saw the choices in the flesh... Apparently the stand collar looks the dogs bollocks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fridge Magnet View Post
    Apparently the stand collar looks the dogs bollocks!
    So old school high collar?!? Would look great to be fair...
    What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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    Save shirts and ties being issued to many

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    I heard from a clothing stores source that 7 & 27 BN's are the only units that will be issued the new uniforms in time for easter 2016.if thats the case guess who they have in mind for all the ceremonials???
    I also know that the new uniforms went on display in McKee Bks gym one day last week.I have yet to see what design they decided on.
    The modern Irish soldier is better educated,trained and equipped then any any other generation that has gone before.


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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    I have yet to see what design they decided on.
    But you've been told which ones the winner I bet
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    As long as it has a first field dressing pocket discretely sown on the inside they can wear what they like...

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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    I heard from a clothing stores source that 7 & 27 BN's are the only units that will be issued the new uniforms in time for easter 2016.if thats the case guess who they have in mind for all the ceremonials???
    I also know that the new uniforms went on display in McKee Bks gym one day last week.I have yet to see what design they decided on.
    Interesting, I guess it would make financial sense that the RDF element of each unit however would most likely end up in the current SD1s. Weve already been told were tasked with the Parade this year.

    Also saw photos of the new old stand collar uniform. it looks pretty sharp TBH
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    Will the ceremonial headress be changing anytime soon?

    The current peaked type cap looks a bit drab.
    Just visiting

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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    Will the ceremonial headress be changing anytime soon?

    The current peaked type cap looks a bit drab.
    Yes....Attachment 7891

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    There is a colour band to be added to it AFAIK.It was trialed at last summers merrion square ceremonies.
    The modern Irish soldier is better educated,trained and equipped then any any other generation that has gone before.


    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    Will the ceremonial headress be changing anytime soon?

    The current peaked type cap looks a bit drab.
    The PAs Peakers look a far neater design

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    Quote Originally Posted by sofa View Post
    The PAs Peakers look a far neater design
    It's the same cap, AFAIK ! Just with the addition of a piece of red felt
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    100% correct.
    And no.I have not seen the design they have gone for. I only saw photos of the proposed variants.
    The modern Irish soldier is better educated,trained and equipped then any any other generation that has gone before.


    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
    -- Field Marshall Earl Wavell.1948

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truck Driver View Post
    It's the same cap, AFAIK ! Just with the addition of a piece of red felt
    Looking at the photo in post 35 above, the red band takes the Red army big hat look off it.

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