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    Was there a CS(?) cutting around in a peaked with a slashed peak? That looked good IMO. Quite British though.
    I knew a simple soldier boy.....
    Who grinned at life in empty joy,
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    And whistled early with the lark.

    In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
    With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
    He put a bullet through his brain.
    And no one spoke of him again.

    You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buck View Post
    Was there a CS(?) cutting around in a peaked with a slashed peak? That looked good IMO. Quite British though.
    Not much to say about this, there are a small number of military systems (American, Russian, German, British, French and so on) that a small country can model itself on or develop one of its own at stupid expense. Evidently the Irish Government decided not to adopt a non-British system with ranks and uniforms and so on a few times over the history of the Defence Forces and we end up today with the British-model. It would be interesting to know why the kepi wasn't adopted but the least you can say about the British-model is that the Irish are in good company. The Irish uniform is sufficiently distinctive, probably more so then the Canadian or New Zealand versions, to attract pride and admiration and that's good enough. Overall, comparisons of this kind are only meaningful between similar peers, New Zealand is the obvious example for the IDF in most cases, there's nothing to be gained by a fixation with the next door neighbour. (Couldn't find any decent photos to illustrate the point.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortitude View Post
    Not much to say about this, there are a small number of military systems (American, Russian, German, British, French and so on) that a small country can model itself on or develop one of its own at stupid expense. Evidently the Irish Government decided not to adopt a non-British system with ranks and uniforms and so on a few times over the history of the Defence Forces and we end up today with the British-model. It would be interesting to know why the kepi wasn't adopted but the least you can say about the British-model is that the Irish are in good company. The Irish uniform is sufficiently distinctive, probably more so then the Canadian or New Zealand versions, to attract pride and admiration and that's good enough. Overall, comparisons of this kind are only meaningful between similar peers, New Zealand is the obvious example for the IDF in most cases, there's nothing to be gained by a fixation with the next door neighbour. (Couldn't find any decent photos to illustrate the point.)
    Our military tradition comes for having a large presents in the British military over centuries

    6 Irish regiments around 1922. Inquires were made then by Desmond Fitzgerald to a British Officer about transffering the Irish Regiments Lock Stock and Drums to the New Free state.

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    Worse set of No 1s has to be the German Army's, they all look like they work in a Hotel lobby
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortitude View Post
    Not much to say about this, there are a small number of military systems (American, Russian, German, British, French and so on) that a small country can model itself on or develop one of its own at stupid expense. Evidently the Irish Government decided not to adopt a non-British system with ranks and uniforms and so on a few times over the history of the Defence Forces and we end up today with the British-model. It would be interesting to know why the kepi wasn't adopted but the least you can say about the British-model is that the Irish are in good company. The Irish uniform is sufficiently distinctive, probably more so then the Canadian or New Zealand versions, to attract pride and admiration and that's good enough. Overall, comparisons of this kind are only meaningful between similar peers, New Zealand is the obvious example for the IDF in most cases, there's nothing to be gained by a fixation with the next door neighbour. (Couldn't find any decent photos to illustrate the point.)
    I'm not digging out the Brits at all, but there's something extremely British looking about the slashed peak (I think it looks jilty) and I think that the DF would want to move away from that.
    I knew a simple soldier boy.....
    Who grinned at life in empty joy,
    Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
    And whistled early with the lark.

    In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
    With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
    He put a bullet through his brain.
    And no one spoke of him again.

    You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
    Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
    Sneak home and pray you'll never know
    The hell where youth and laughter go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sofa View Post
    Looking at the photo in post 35 above, the red band takes the Red army big hat look off it.
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    Different colour bands for Brigades or even battalions do look well however the cap itself is does need a little work.

    Corps type head dress , yup works for me. Tbh its all heading in the right direction regardless of the influences..probably dating back to the Romans who came up with the idea of uniforms, although the DF here can ease up on the sandals options.
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    Bands on the caps was also trailed in the early days the bands had the colours of your lanyard. Some of them looked well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortitude View Post
    Not much to say about this, there are a small number of military systems (American, Russian, German, British, French and so on) that a small country can model itself on or develop one of its own at stupid expense. Evidently the Irish Government decided not to adopt a non-British system with ranks and uniforms and so on a few times over the history of the Defence Forces and we end up today with the British-model. It would be interesting to know why the kepi wasn't adopted but the least you can say about the British-model is that the Irish are in good company. The Irish uniform is sufficiently distinctive, probably more so then the Canadian or New Zealand versions, to attract pride and admiration and that's good enough. Overall, comparisons of this kind are only meaningful between similar peers, New Zealand is the obvious example for the IDF in most cases, there's nothing to be gained by a fixation with the next door neighbour. (Couldn't find any decent photos to illustrate the point.)
    Not sure about that point (bold)

    Think of the rank markings for Cpl, Sgt, 2/Lt, Capt, Comdt, Lt Col, Col in the Irish Army
    Similiarities there between both armies
    Even similiarities between the corresponding ranks in the other two arms also, especially since the Air Corps move to the blue uniforms and revised rank markings
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    A cursory visit to the Nat Mus in Collins Barracks in the military section suggests an almost seamless transition from BA to ONE
    with the firm impression to the visitor of a shared common military tradition/heritage.

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    Apologies Fortitude. I misread your comment, thinking you said the Irish rank markings were a non British model, when the opposite is the case to a large degree
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    Quote Originally Posted by danno View Post
    A cursory visit to the Nat Mus in Collins Barracks in the military section suggests an almost seamless transition from BA to ONE
    with the firm impression to the visitor of a shared common military tradition/heritage.
    Where is this nat mus of which you speak? Is it a Bank like Nat west, or a removal company like nat ross?

    Or is it another of your unnecessary abbreviations? Any chance of some complete words?

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    Do you not know the army hasn't enough TLA,S??

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    where is this nat mus of which you speak?
    53-20-54 n 006-17-15w

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    Proposed new SD


    http://forum.irishmilitaryonline.com...8&d=1422991827
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    The modern Irish soldier is better educated,trained and equipped then any any other generation that has gone before.


    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
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    The Male tunic could be tailored better at the shoulder. The Female cap is horrific. Is it me or is the tunic green more Bottle than the current? What is the story with collar badges?
    Like the female tie replacement, but I think the skirt should be ditched (in place of trousers of course).

    Are those people actually that rank?

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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    Proposed new SD
    The female "tie" thing is rather like that worn by females in (I think) the US army
    Even the cut of the tunic looks rather like the US service dress for female personnel
    The hat (female) is an improvement on the pillbox hat which I thought looked sh1te
    Will female officers be wearing these hats with bronze cap badge a la ANS, or is this just for female enlisted?
    Seeing the male tunic in the flesh just confirms my perception - don't like the style, prefer tunic with shirt/tie
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    That's a ghoul uniform, the existing SD is way better. Are the rank markings supposed to be around the elbows?
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    I think it looks way better. I assume the collar badges will go where those dots are on the male collar?

    Does look very 1916!
    I knew a simple soldier boy.....
    Who grinned at life in empty joy,
    Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
    And whistled early with the lark.

    In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
    With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
    He put a bullet through his brain.
    And no one spoke of him again.

    You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
    Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
    Sneak home and pray you'll never know
    The hell where youth and laughter go.

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    The female service dress looks OK except for the cap which makes her look like a hotel porter.
    I am not sure about the male tunic. The epaulettes look big and the standing collar just doesn't look right.
    Well, government doesn't stop just because the country's been destroyed! I mean, annihilation’s bad enough without anarchy to make things even worse!

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    On second look, the female hat does look fairly gammy. Are those the final designs?
    I knew a simple soldier boy.....
    Who grinned at life in empty joy,
    Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
    And whistled early with the lark.

    In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
    With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
    He put a bullet through his brain.
    And no one spoke of him again.

    You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
    Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
    Sneak home and pray you'll never know
    The hell where youth and laughter go.

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    Rushing them in for 2016 is going to be a big mistake, they still need a lot of work. Can't see the men happy wearing them, Material looks cheap. Would look better with a black belt and gloves. white cap band looks to Cadet. Womens hat is crap, present one looks much better and original, she looks like a 1970's Ban Gardai. Give the RIR's tailor a ring.

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    Female uniform looks ok apart from the hat. But why back to skirts?

    The male uniform just looks strange like it is incorrectly sized

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    Is the standing collar enlisted only or will the officers be getting it too?
    Well, government doesn't stop just because the country's been destroyed! I mean, annihilation’s bad enough without anarchy to make things even worse!

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    The uniform isn't issued to either of those troops they haven't been ironed or fitted to them.
    The male uniform looks smart in the light of day..
    Also two young CS,s good to see. ��

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    Black belt and gloves would be better. I'd say if properly tailored, the male one would look the part. The female uniform looks similar to the current, bar the skirt being back. The lids for both look crap really, male could be down to fitting, female, total redesign needed.
    What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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