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  • #46
    There is a colour band to be added to it AFAIK.It was trialed at last summers merrion square ceremonies.
    "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
      Will the ceremonial headress be changing anytime soon?

      The current peaked type cap looks a bit drab.
      The PAs Peakers look a far neater design

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      • #48
        Originally posted by sofa View Post
        The PAs Peakers look a far neater design
        It's the same cap, AFAIK ! Just with the addition of a piece of red felt
        "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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        • #49
          100% correct.
          And no.I have not seen the design they have gone for. I only saw photos of the proposed variants.
          "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Truck Driver View Post
            It's the same cap, AFAIK ! Just with the addition of a piece of red felt
            Looking at the photo in post 35 above, the red band takes the Red army big hat look off it.

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            • #51
              Was there a CS(?) cutting around in a peaked with a slashed peak? That looked good IMO. Quite British though.
              I knew a simple soldier boy.....
              Who grinned at life in empty joy,
              Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
              And whistled early with the lark.

              In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
              With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
              He put a bullet through his brain.
              And no one spoke of him again.

              You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
              Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
              Sneak home and pray you'll never know
              The hell where youth and laughter go.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Buck View Post
                Was there a CS(?) cutting around in a peaked with a slashed peak? That looked good IMO. Quite British though.
                Not much to say about this, there are a small number of military systems (American, Russian, German, British, French and so on) that a small country can model itself on or develop one of its own at stupid expense. Evidently the Irish Government decided not to adopt a non-British system with ranks and uniforms and so on a few times over the history of the Defence Forces and we end up today with the British-model. It would be interesting to know why the kepi wasn't adopted but the least you can say about the British-model is that the Irish are in good company. The Irish uniform is sufficiently distinctive, probably more so then the Canadian or New Zealand versions, to attract pride and admiration and that's good enough. Overall, comparisons of this kind are only meaningful between similar peers, New Zealand is the obvious example for the IDF in most cases, there's nothing to be gained by a fixation with the next door neighbour. (Couldn't find any decent photos to illustrate the point.)

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Fortitude View Post
                  Not much to say about this, there are a small number of military systems (American, Russian, German, British, French and so on) that a small country can model itself on or develop one of its own at stupid expense. Evidently the Irish Government decided not to adopt a non-British system with ranks and uniforms and so on a few times over the history of the Defence Forces and we end up today with the British-model. It would be interesting to know why the kepi wasn't adopted but the least you can say about the British-model is that the Irish are in good company. The Irish uniform is sufficiently distinctive, probably more so then the Canadian or New Zealand versions, to attract pride and admiration and that's good enough. Overall, comparisons of this kind are only meaningful between similar peers, New Zealand is the obvious example for the IDF in most cases, there's nothing to be gained by a fixation with the next door neighbour. (Couldn't find any decent photos to illustrate the point.)
                  Our military tradition comes for having a large presents in the British military over centuries

                  6 Irish regiments around 1922. Inquires were made then by Desmond Fitzgerald to a British Officer about transffering the Irish Regiments Lock Stock and Drums to the New Free state.

                  PS

                  Worse set of No 1s has to be the German Army's, they all look like they work in a Hotel lobby
                  Last edited by sofa; 28 January 2015, 00:03.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Fortitude View Post
                    Not much to say about this, there are a small number of military systems (American, Russian, German, British, French and so on) that a small country can model itself on or develop one of its own at stupid expense. Evidently the Irish Government decided not to adopt a non-British system with ranks and uniforms and so on a few times over the history of the Defence Forces and we end up today with the British-model. It would be interesting to know why the kepi wasn't adopted but the least you can say about the British-model is that the Irish are in good company. The Irish uniform is sufficiently distinctive, probably more so then the Canadian or New Zealand versions, to attract pride and admiration and that's good enough. Overall, comparisons of this kind are only meaningful between similar peers, New Zealand is the obvious example for the IDF in most cases, there's nothing to be gained by a fixation with the next door neighbour. (Couldn't find any decent photos to illustrate the point.)
                    I'm not digging out the Brits at all, but there's something extremely British looking about the slashed peak (I think it looks jilty) and I think that the DF would want to move away from that.
                    I knew a simple soldier boy.....
                    Who grinned at life in empty joy,
                    Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
                    And whistled early with the lark.

                    In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
                    With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
                    He put a bullet through his brain.
                    And no one spoke of him again.

                    You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
                    Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
                    Sneak home and pray you'll never know
                    The hell where youth and laughter go.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by sofa View Post
                      Looking at the photo in post 35 above, the red band takes the Red army big hat look off it.
                      "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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                      • #56
                        Different colour bands for Brigades or even battalions do look well however the cap itself is does need a little work.

                        Corps type head dress , yup works for me. Tbh its all heading in the right direction regardless of the influences..probably dating back to the Romans who came up with the idea of uniforms, although the DF here can ease up on the sandals options.
                        Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                        • #57
                          Bands on the caps was also trailed in the early days the bands had the colours of your lanyard. Some of them looked well

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Fortitude View Post
                            Not much to say about this, there are a small number of military systems (American, Russian, German, British, French and so on) that a small country can model itself on or develop one of its own at stupid expense. Evidently the Irish Government decided not to adopt a non-British system with ranks and uniforms and so on a few times over the history of the Defence Forces and we end up today with the British-model. It would be interesting to know why the kepi wasn't adopted but the least you can say about the British-model is that the Irish are in good company. The Irish uniform is sufficiently distinctive, probably more so then the Canadian or New Zealand versions, to attract pride and admiration and that's good enough. Overall, comparisons of this kind are only meaningful between similar peers, New Zealand is the obvious example for the IDF in most cases, there's nothing to be gained by a fixation with the next door neighbour. (Couldn't find any decent photos to illustrate the point.)
                            Not sure about that point (bold)

                            Think of the rank markings for Cpl, Sgt, 2/Lt, Capt, Comdt, Lt Col, Col in the Irish Army
                            Similiarities there between both armies
                            Even similiarities between the corresponding ranks in the other two arms also, especially since the Air Corps move to the blue uniforms and revised rank markings
                            "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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                            • #59
                              A cursory visit to the Nat Mus in Collins Barracks in the military section suggests an almost seamless transition from BA to ONE
                              with the firm impression to the visitor of a shared common military tradition/heritage.

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                              • #60
                                Apologies Fortitude. I misread your comment, thinking you said the Irish rank markings were a non British model, when the opposite is the case to a large degree
                                "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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