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    Hello everyone,

    I would greatly appreciate help with a question regarding the 7th Royal Dublin Fusiliers circa 1914. I have trying to find out whether or not the 7th had a particular marching song that was associated with the Regiment?

    I know that some regiments of the period had particular tunes that were favorites that were played while on the march, but I have been unable to determine whether or not there was a tune associated with the Dublin Fusiliers? If there was not a particular preferred song at that time, what would have been typical favorites of the Irish Regiments?

    Thank you in advance for help with this question.

    Warmest regards,

    JPS

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    Hey,

    Well here are some typical Irish Infantry regiment marches of that time:

    Generic : Brian Boru's March (the fav of the Connaught Rangers) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXY4PKVa_kA.) The Minstrel Boy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4mvkJOA8gM), Long way to Tipperary (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD4mp33bzec), Auld Lang Syne (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KstHWOEQofI)
    Irish Guards - St Patrick's Day, Let Erin Remember (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAJskH_AWv4)
    Royal Dublin Fusiliers - British Grenadiers, St Patrick's Day (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGrxHO-B2TY)
    Leinster Regiment - Royal Canadian, Come back to Erin
    Royal Irish Fusiliers - Barrosa, Garryowen, St Patrick's day medley
    Royal Inniskillen Fusiliers - Rory O'Moore, The Sprig of Shellaleigh (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH6VElDznuk)
    Royal Irish Rifles - Off, off said the stranger, South Down Militia ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA7RO6H6pws)
    Royal Munster Fusiliers - British Grenadiers, St Patrick's Day.
    Connaught Rangers - St Patrick's Day. (and see above Brian Boru), Killaloe (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn1NWTLkocQ)

    And ofcourse the best part of the army, the Cavalry...

    6th Dragoons (Inniskillings) : Fare Ye Well Inniskillings. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7kErotP9m8)
    North Irish Horse: Garryowen. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOMMDXS-7wM)
    8th Kings Royal Irish Hussars : The Galloping 8th Hussar. The Scottish Archers.
    5th Royal Irish Lancers : St Patrick's Day. Let Erin Remember and The Harp that
    once through Tara's Halls. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_7g5gSljgw) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATva_4NHr7Q)
    4th Royal Irish Dragoon Guards, St Patrick's Day. 4th Royal Irish Dragoons Slow March.

    #EDITED IN# I think you shall find this interesting, it is a article about the Presentations of new colors to the 2nd battalion, Royal Dublin Fusiliers. Many of the songs I have linked you above where played in the ceremony. http://st.louis.irish.tripod.com/irishwarpipe/id39.html.

    the extra songs being ''wearing of the green'': (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9j-Nu8NX2o) and ''Come back to Erin'' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gThS3qOaHnU)
    Last edited by Mewt; 18 September 2014, 17:16.
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    • #3
      Thank you Mewt!

      This is exactly what I was looking for. I greatly appreciate your help with this.

      I'm working on a novel that includes the History of the 7th of the Royal Dubs as a backdrop to the story and this information will be very helpful!

      Thanks again.

      Warmest regards,

      JPS

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      • #4
        Hey JPS,

        No problem, was rather fun putting it together actually. That sounds interesting (I was wondering why you wanted the marching songs....) you should try to acquire "The Tenth Division in Gallipoli" by Major Bryan Cooper or "Ireland's Forgotten 10th" by Capt. Jeremy Stanley both of these books will give you useful information and backdrop for the 7th Battalion Royal Dublin Fusiliers (who where attached to the 30th Brigade in 10th (Irish) Division).

        You shall have no shortage of interesting backdrop from Turkey, Macedonia and Palestine methinks!

        Best of luck with it.
        Last edited by Mewt; 22 September 2014, 14:44.
        "Winston, if you were my husband, I'd put poison in your coffee." - Lady Astor....
        ''Nancy, if you were my wife, I'd drink it'' - Winston Churchill

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        • #5
          Hello Mewt,

          Thank you for the additional resources. They are most welcome! This project will be published as a trilogy. The backdrop for Book I will cover everything leading up to the war, through the end of the 7th's involvement in the Gallipoli Campaign. Book II will follow the 7th through the Salonika Front, then on to the Mesopotamia Campaign and the capture of Jerusalem. Book III will pick up after Jerusalem through the end of the war.

          Currently for background I've been working with "The pals at Suvla Bay: being the record of "D" company of the 7th Royal Dublin fusiliers " by Henry Hanna. It was written and published during the war and follows D Company in great detail through to the end of the Company's service with the withdrawal of Allied forces from Gallipoli.

          I have not yet performed a search for additional source for Book II as of yet, so the sources you have recommended will nicely fill this gap. Thank you very much!

          For Book III, I have picked up a copy of "A FORLORN HOPE: The Royal Dublin Fusiliers in the Kaiser's Battle, March 1918" by Sean Connolly.

          On a separate note, a quick question please?

          It is my understanding that British Army organization during WWI featured a Platoon of approximately 50 men commanded by a Lieutenant. So far so good. In the U.S. Army, a Platoon is further divided into squads. My understanding is that the British Army equivalent of a squad was the section. Can you please confirm the number of soldiers in a section in the Irish Regiments of the British Army during WWI??? Was a section commanded by a Sergeant, a Corporal or a ?????

          Your help has been greatly appreciated!

          Warmest regards,

          JPS

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          • #6
            Hey JPS,

            This is not really in any way my area of ''expertise'' or even specific interests so be sure to double check the following. However, as I understand it. The British Army in the Great War was organised as follows:

            In an Infantry Battalion you would have multiple Companies usually identified by a letter (such as your 'D' Company, 7th Dublin Fusiliers above), in some Regiments such as the Footguards for eg. They would instead be Numbered.
            Each Company was then further broken down into 4 Platoons each commanded by a Subaltern. Each Platoon had 4 sections comprised of 12 men under an NCO.

            The 12 privates in the section would be directly commanded by a Corporal or Lance Corporal.

            The Subaltern would be assisted by The Sergeant (or Serjeant), some batmen and a drummer.

            Here are some links to structure related articles:
            All about the British Army of the First World War. Find how to research the men and women who served, and stacks of detail about the army organisation, battles, and the battlefields.

            "Winston, if you were my husband, I'd put poison in your coffee." - Lady Astor....
            ''Nancy, if you were my wife, I'd drink it'' - Winston Churchill

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Mewt View Post
              Hey JPS,

              This is not really in any way my area of ''expertise'' or even specific interests so be sure to double check the following. However, as I understand it. The British Army in the Great War was organised as follows:

              In an Infantry Battalion you would have multiple Companies usually identified by a letter (such as your 'D' Company, 7th Dublin Fusiliers above), in some Regiments such as the Footguards for eg. They would instead be Numbered.
              Each Company was then further broken down into 4 Platoons each commanded by a Subaltern. Each Platoon had 4 sections comprised of 12 men under an NCO.

              The 12 privates in the section would be directly commanded by a Corporal or Lance Corporal.

              The Subaltern would be assisted by The Sergeant (or Serjeant), some batmen and a drummer.

              Here are some links to structure related articles:
              All about the British Army of the First World War. Find how to research the men and women who served, and stacks of detail about the army organisation, battles, and the battlefields.

              http://www.mylearning.org/the-loyal-...resource/2579/
              Check out "Trench Warfare 1914-1918 The live and let live system" by Tony Ashworth (Pan books 1980). An interesting read, it goes into a bit of detail about the makeup.

              Also debunks a few myths. I'm re-reading it at the moment. It goes beyond the "Blood and mud" descriptions of the Western Front.
              'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
              'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
              Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
              He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
              http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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              • #8
                At Collins Barracks Museum, in the WW1 area they have a board up on display showing the British Army make up. if your in the area.

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