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    Considering what Ireland spends on defence, perhaps this is more appropriate to our budget
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    Shh. Why do you think the LTAVs keep falling apart?
    Well, there's good news and bad news. The bad news is that Neil will be taking over both branches, and some of you will lose your jobs. Those of you who are kept on will have to relocate to Swindon, if you wanna stay. I know, gutting. On a more positive note, the good news is, I've been promoted, so... every cloud. You're still thinking about the bad news aren't you?

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    Re: #790 - The South African Rooikat - very much like the Italian Centauro i.e. 8-wheels and mid-20s tons, but with a high velocity 76mm (adapted version of the same 76mm used by the Naval Service - not the same as the Scorpion's gun/ammo), and capable of mounting a full 105mm.

    Its not in production but, would there be properly mothballed, little used and later-built examples in storage in SA that could be bought and modernised for a knock-down price?
    (i'm guessing probably not!).

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    The problem with wheeled vehicles with a large calibre weapon is that they have problems in cities negotiating obstacles where it is likely that wars will be fought in the future, the Americans in Somalia and later Iraq and the Italian centaurs in Iraq all had problems with wheeled vehicles not being able to go through barricades and the like. Hence why the Americans are looking at a tracked vehicle for their mobile protected firepower project.

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    If we were in the market for something small and recce like, why not the German Wiesel?
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    Also I know sweet fa about tank things other than tracks and gun, so go easy
    I knew a simple soldier boy.....
    Who grinned at life in empty joy,
    Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
    And whistled early with the lark.

    In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
    With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
    He put a bullet through his brain.
    And no one spoke of him again.

    You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
    Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
    Sneak home and pray you'll never know
    The hell where youth and laughter go.

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    Too small, too lightly armed, not well enough armoured

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buck View Post
    If we were in the market for something small and recce like, why not the German Wiesel?
    The Wiesel is designed to be transported by the CH53 to be a support vehicle to the German Airborne troops. They were planned in the late '70s when the idea was to quickly plug gaps in the frontline against the Warsaw Pact. As such they are light, will withstand 7.62 rds or Shell fragments but not much more. They have also almost zero Mine protection and this is essential in todays operational deployments. Due to their size their capacity is limited, 3 troopers is tops.

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    The armour protection I get, obviously a necessity today.

    But you can chuck rocket launchers and cannons on them, and they're light enough to not be too troubled by Irish terrain I'd wager. What does a 139 lift? 9 tonnes or have I lost a screw? The Wiesel weighs up to 5 according to Wikipedia - handy to transport.

    Let's be realistic, what does the DF need in terms of tank capability?
    I knew a simple soldier boy.....
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    Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
    And whistled early with the lark.

    In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
    With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
    He put a bullet through his brain.
    And no one spoke of him again.

    You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
    Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
    Sneak home and pray you'll never know
    The hell where youth and laughter go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buck View Post
    The armour protection I get, obviously a necessity today.

    But you can chuck rocket launchers and cannons on them, and they're light enough to not be too troubled by Irish terrain I'd wager. What does a 139 lift? 9 tonnes or have I lost a screw? The Wiesel weighs up to 5 according to Wikipedia - handy to transport.

    Let's be realistic, what does the DF need in terms of tank capability?
    The AW139 has a maximum lift of 2200kg, a NH90/UH60 is around 4000kg, you have to go up to a CH53 or CH47 to get a helicopter transporting a Wiesel any serious distance. Also remember that the Wiesel was built in the 80's and even the Wiesel 2 was 2000's. So neither are any longer in production. There narrow tracks make them mobile in central Europe but not the best for really soft ground.
    It you want to look at a more capable tracked vehicle then go for the BvS10. Big brother of the BV206 already used to carry radars. It was used by the Dutch Marines in Chad and the aft unit is flexible and can be fitted with any thing you want. The wide rubber tracks given it great mobility on soft ground.

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    Cheers for the info!
    I knew a simple soldier boy.....
    Who grinned at life in empty joy,
    Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
    And whistled early with the lark.

    In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
    With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
    He put a bullet through his brain.
    And no one spoke of him again.

    You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
    Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
    Sneak home and pray you'll never know
    The hell where youth and laughter go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EUFighter View Post
    The AW139 has a maximum lift of 2200kg, a NH90/UH60 is around 4000kg, you have to go up to a CH53 or CH47 to get a helicopter transporting a Wiesel any serious distance. Also remember that the Wiesel was built in the 80's and even the Wiesel 2 was 2000's. So neither are any longer in production. There narrow tracks make them mobile in central Europe but not the best for really soft ground.
    It you want to look at a more capable tracked vehicle then go for the BvS10. Big brother of the BV206 already used to carry radars. It was used by the Dutch Marines in Chad and the aft unit is flexible and can be fitted with any thing you want. The wide rubber tracks given it great mobility on soft ground.

    And the BVs are APCs, equipment carriers etc

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    I was in Spike Island at the weekend, Cav drove a scorpion into the Gun park there last week if anyone wants to pop over, they've a good collection going now.

    Fk sake can we not just buy some more MRVs/CRVs they work and have fking tremendous value for what they are
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    We should invest in some British Army Ajax tanks

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