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  • Scorpion replacment?

    Is there any plan to upgrade the Scorpions ?

    I recall reading (about 2 years ago) that it would cost circa €200,000 per vehicle to do so.

    Seeing as it was considered sending the Scorpions to Liberia, is the DoD finally admitting that there is a place for tracked vehicles in the Army ?

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  • #2
    january i heard

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    • #3
      Originally posted by kermit
      Yes
      What would the upgrade involve? Anything like the Sabre

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      • #4
        Diesel engine...fume extractor on the turret,new tracks....(That are cheaper to replace when worn).


        Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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        • #5
          Is there not an armour upgrade on the cards as well?
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          • #6
            Comms upgrades are the main thing afaik
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            • #7
              but their not putting in any thing like the "night elbow" Night vision system or laser range finder from the AML 20/90's then?
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              • #8
                Presumably they'll do the minimum, the original planned upgrade was basically a full refit with new weapons, sensors, running systems and powerpack as well as comms.
                The story I heard only mentioned comms but its safe to assume that the dieselisation is a prerequisite.

                The price tag mooted for the full upgrade was something like 7m for the fleet but there was no funding found and there were various rumours of the fleet being scrapped.
                As to why the upgrade is going ahead, look at the pics that came out of wheeled vehicles floundering on the "roads" in Liberia, time to invest in those BV 210s methinks.
                As to why upgrade w
                "It is a general popular error to imagine that loudest complainers for the public to be the most anxious for it's welfare" Edmund Burke

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                • #9
                  but their not putting in any thing like the "night elbow" Night vision system or laser range finder from the AML 20/90's then?
                  I hear they were
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                  • #10
                    Scorpions now thats a rave from the grave.

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                    • #11
                      Wheeled Vehicles floundering? Where?


                      Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                      • #12
                        I just read in "Battlespace", though only available if you Google Search, steyr cvr(t) ricardo ireland, and read the cache version, that Ireland is a customer for "Ricardos", the company that sold the DF the Ford F-350s for the ARW, Scorpion upgrade. The reason for the "" is because it appears, on reliable information, that the originators of the upgrade was actually an Irish company.

                        Here's a copy/paste of a portion of the article (dated Sep. 2004):

                        "Since 2003 they have converted over 400 vehicles for military applications including 250 for Special Forces including, UK, Ireland, the Dutch Marines and Italy. ........ An interesting project was that to dieselise the CVR(T)range of armoured vehicles for the Nigerian Army. "We were the original bidders against Alvis for the Steyr diesel engine to replace the jaguar in the MoD's CVR(T) fleet. After extensive trails the MoD chose the Alvis solution. We believed that our Steyr solution proved unbeatable and to that end we have been marketing this to other CVR(T) users such as Nigeria, where we have an ongoing contract to convert vehicles across the range and Ireland. We are hopeful of other customers," Tarry said."

                        As you can see the report is not clear if the Scorpions will only get an engine upgrade or if tracks, weapon, armour etc. will be upgraded (apparently Nigeria also upgraded the main armament from the 76mm to a Cockerill Mk3 90mm.

                        Does anyone know anything further?

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                        • #13
                          there are no plans to up grade the weapon and fume extractor as thsi ws the primary caise for the Brits getting rid of their scorpions. The PDF have already carried out a fume extrctor mod. All that reamnains is an engine change and a new coms fit....the problem with the slab on armour is an increase in weight whould much reduce the performnace of the vehicle.

                          The emphasis on replaving the jaguar engine is the the army want to phase out petrol altogether...and have a complete diesel powered fleet....even motorbikes are heading in this direction. Given the type of operation carried out the RM with the new grade Badwagon ..maybe this is what we should be looking at to replace the Scorpion ...similar performance and agility..
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by hptmurphy
                            .the problem with the slab on armour is an increase in weight whould much reduce the performnace of the vehicle.
                            by that do you mean ERA?
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                            • #15
                              I imagine HPT is talking about passive armour, I've never heard of anyone putting ERA on a Scorpion.

                              Incidentally, one of the benefits of replacing the Jag engine with the Steyr is that the Steyr is considerably lighter but with a similar performance and therefore extra armour can be added without loss of performance. A Steyr powered Scorpion set a new world record as the fastest Tank (yes tank, CVR(T) being the British Army designation and they do not use the Steyr powered version).

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