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  • #91
    Thank you gentlemen.
    Dr. Venture: Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?

    Dr. Venture: Dean, you smell like a whore

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    • #92



      Gives good details of the upgrades available

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      • #93
        Fantasy?

        From the minutes of a meeting held recently in DFHQ


        "…Item 7 on the agenda was the proposal to upgrade the Scorpions, based on the Scorpion 2000 Peacekeeper package offered by Repaircraft Plc. The proposal from the Director of Cavalry included a number of options, including
        (a) a limited upgrade to existing vehicles, mainly to improve safety and reduce costs;
        (b) the full upgrade, which would also include improvements to armour and weapons;
        (c) the full upgrade to existing vehicles, together with the acquisition of a number of extra vehicles, including some modernised Spartan APCs, to complement and support the Scorpions and provide a realistic light armoured cavalry force.

        It was noted that the funding requirements for this proposal were not likely to be problematic, in the context of overall DF capital expenditure. It was agreed that the vehicles in DF service were in need of modernisation and upgrading in a number of areas. However, the question was raised as to whether or not the DF should continue to operate tracked vehicles at all, given all the logistical, operational and cost difficulties posed by such vehicles. The likely use of tracked vehicles by the DF in anything other than a training role was questioned. Compatibility with the Piranha and LTAV was also raised as an issue.

        In view of the differences of opinion and uncertainty as to future policy re tracked vehicles, the CoS thanked the Director of Cavalry for his well presented and researched proposal, but said the issue clearly required further consideration.

        Conclusion: decision deferred.


        The next item on the agenda was the wearing of Dutch para wings…… "

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        • #94
          Originally posted by DeV View Post


          1 Auxiliary Power Unit / Secondary Generator
          2 Night Vision Commanders / Gunners Sights
          3 Heavy Duty Air Conditioning
          4 Turret Fume Extractor
          5 Improved Engine Cooling
          6 Brushless Heavy Duty Generator / Regulator
          7 Modern Electrical System (DIP-ES)
          8 Automatic Fire Suppression System
          9 Explosion Suppressant Fuel Cell
          10 High Speed Diesel Engine
          11 35mm / 90mm Main Gun
          12 Laser Rangefinder
          13 Drivers Periscope - Day / Night
          14 External Pintle Mounted 7.62mm / 0.50" HMG / 40mm AGL
          15 Larger / Additional Hull Storage Bins
          16 Uprated Suspension
          17 Improved Track
          18 Appliqué Armour and Spall Liners
          19 Turret Power Traverse and Elevation
          20 Radio and Intercom
          21 Nuclear / Biological / Chemical Pack
          22 Computerised Fire Control and Navigation Systems
          23 Laser Attack Countermeasures
          24 Any special equipment or modification required by Users

          (because it took ages to open for me)#

          The items in Italics would be what I'd consider a requirement. The other features would add unnecessary weight to what is intended as a light recce vehicle.
          Pintle mounted weapons are pointless when you have a perfectly good coax. The notion of using a pintle mounted weapon for AAA is merely a morale booster.
          When you don't have a perfectly good coax, you need an even better reverse gear.


          Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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          • #95
            ditch the pintle mounted gpmg and put a 40mm automatic grenade launcher on there,the rangers already have them so it's not beyond imagination and would be a very usable bit of kit

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            • #96
              Jordanian Scorpion upgrade - note the ATGMs



              details at http://www.kaddb.com/static/project9.shtm

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              • #97
                Is that a Russian upgrade? The ATGM are Kornets.

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                • #98
                  Would it be an option for the vehicles we have??
                  What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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                  • #99
                    Hi there
                    The British found a need in Bosnia for 76mm guntanks as the 30mm was inefficient at bunker-busting, ie, Serbian concrete emplacements withstood the 3cm rounds and they had to use ATGWs to be certain of "opening" the bunkers. Which earned them the ire of Army bean-counters....
                    regards
                    GttC

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                    • 14 External Pintle Mounted 7.62mm / 0.50" HMG / 40mm AGL
                      tried but it raised the p-rofile of the crew and made them bullet magnets.

                      The brits have just trialled a new turret for the Warrior using a Rheiemetall gun in place of the Rarden.

                      Good thing about it is it requires no hull modification.

                      As regard bunker busting you'd think the brits would have learned from the falklands where they used MILAN or CG 84mm to do the job without having to revert to the scorpiion although they were used as well..

                      the rebuild of the scoprpion with a 90mm gun proves the point that there is a definete role althhough there is a major refit required engine wise before the 90mm turret could be used to equate the power lost by adding the heavier turret..
                      Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                      • Check out the Ferret upgrade on that site.
                        Meh.

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                        • "ferret" and "upgrade" is a sure sign of desperation. Ferrets were obsolete in the early 70s.


                          Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                          • Maybe we should ask them if they can refurbish 25 Pounders or AMLs..........but that's a different thread altogether.

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                            • what about brens???
                              But there's no danger
                              It's a professional career
                              Though it could be arranged
                              With just a word in Mr. Churchill's ear
                              If you're out of luck you're out of work
                              We could send you to johannesburg.

                              (Elvis Costello, Olivers Army)

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                              • Originally posted by Barry View Post
                                Maybe we should ask them if they can refurbish 25 Pounders or AMLs..........but that's a different thread altogether.
                                Didn't they do that already?
                                "It is a general popular error to imagine that loudest complainers for the public to be the most anxious for it's welfare" Edmund Burke

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