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    The 105s could do with a relatively inexpensive upgrade in order to be deployed effectively

    There are very few modern 6x6/8x8 APCs mounting a 90mm (or bigger). There could be reasons for and against.

    But if the Scorpions are to be replaced I’d be firmly of the opinion that it must be a MOWAG variant

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    The 105s could do with a relatively inexpensive upgrade in order to be deployed effectively
    What issue with them needs an overseas upgrade??
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    The 105s could do with a relatively inexpensive upgrade in order to be deployed effectively

    There are very few modern 6x6/8x8 APCs mounting a 90mm (or bigger). There could be reasons for and against.

    But if the Scorpions are to be replaced I’d be firmly of the opinion that it must be a MOWAG variant
    Simple reason behind that. Unless you are an actual tank, if you fire a single big loud round against a hard target, revealing your location (as a recce force) to all nearby, modern countermeasures will have you destroyed before you can get the second round off. Wheeled AFV weapons are there to shoot and scoot. Not Stalk and shoot. That's the anti armour detatchment's job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by X-RayOne View Post
    What issue with them needs an overseas upgrade??
    Something like LINAPS, it wouldn’t be essential but offer advantages

    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmit� View Post
    Simple reason behind that. Unless you are an actual tank, if you fire a single big loud round against a hard target, revealing your location (as a recce force) to all nearby, modern countermeasures will have you destroyed before you can get the second round off. Wheeled AFV weapons are there to shoot and scoot. Not Stalk and shoot. That's the anti armour detatchment's job.
    Yes and often those 30mm recce vehicles (in conventional warfare at least will be near friendly tanks, obviously we don’t have any).

    Maybe there is an argument as part of a Scorpion replacement for 1ACS to be equipped with MOWAG MRVs and MOWAGs with a LRATGW (ie longer range than Javelin).

    However, adding another missile to the inventory????

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    We only have 3 missile types in the entire military... whats the big deal?
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    @na gromiti, staying concealed is all very well for recce work but a lot of the current DF work abroad is staying highly visible in white vehicles. With regard to gun versus missile, cost is a major factor and the DoD/DoF is always on permanent overwatch when it comes to DF spending. I'd rather have a 90mm gun on a familiar platform, with a projected service life of thirty years, than a missile system that costs (insert supposed cost here) and has a very finite life, ie, missile time-ex'd after five or ten years. I'd love to see the faces on the DoD people if the Irish started squirting off Javelins like they were going out of fashion, in some dusty place against some toerag who's got a troop of technicals and wants to go head to head. "you spent how much??!!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by morpheus View Post
    We only have 3 missile types in the entire military... whats the big deal?
    So adding a small number of a new type is a huge percentage increase and a high life cycle cost

    A 90 is also more versatile

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    @na gromiti, staying concealed is all very well for recce work but a lot of the current DF work abroad is staying highly visible in white vehicles. With regard to gun versus missile, cost is a major factor and the DoD/DoF is always on permanent overwatch when it comes to DF spending. I'd rather have a 90mm gun on a familiar platform, with a projected service life of thirty years, than a missile system that costs (insert supposed cost here) and has a very finite life, ie, missile time-ex'd after five or ten years. I'd love to see the faces on the DoD people if the Irish started squirting off Javelins like they were going out of fashion, in some dusty place against some toerag who's got a troop of technicals and wants to go head to head. "you spent how much??!!"
    +1

    I was actually thinking longer range than Javelin

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