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    Last thing out re upgrade was new engines and that's a while ago.

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    Yes an a committee was told the MOWAGs were being upgraded recently

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhodes View Post
    The Scorpions have been retired after 37 years service.
    Well at least the Donegal Defence Forces still have one!

    http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish...-after-9794030

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    Apparently 3 are already earmarked for private sale and the rest are up for tender...
    "We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
    Radio transmission, siege of Jadotville DR Congo. September 1961.
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    was there no last shoot like the amls ?
    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkey View Post
    Apparently 3 are already earmarked for private sale and the rest are up for tender...
    I hope a number are held back for museums.

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    The 3 private sales are for a preservation group...
    "We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
    Radio transmission, siege of Jadotville DR Congo. September 1961.
    Illegitimi non carborundum

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    Quote Originally Posted by sofa View Post
    I hope a number are held back for museums.
    Visit Bovington or Duxford . Plenty to be found there.
    Our vehicles did nothing to deserve taking up museum space.
    Well, there's good news and bad news. The bad news is that Neil will be taking over both branches, and some of you will lose your jobs. Those of you who are kept on will have to relocate to Swindon, if you wanna stay. I know, gutting. On a more positive note, the good news is, I've been promoted, so... every cloud. You're still thinking about the bad news aren't you?

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    One less item of ammo to be provided for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danno View Post
    One less item of ammo to be provided for.
    Probably 10,000 rounds in stores

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Probably 10,000 rounds in stores
    Is it a 76mm round?. The OTO Melaras in the NS are the same size round if so.

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    the rounds are incompatible; different cartridge size.

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    Other than mortars, 105's and NS cannons I cant think of any remaining crew served big bore systems left in the DF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A/TEL View Post
    Is it a 76mm round?. The OTO Melaras in the NS are the same size round if so.

    Scorpion 76mm

    OTO Melara 76mm
    The scorpion 76mm is a low pressure gun.
    Well, there's good news and bad news. The bad news is that Neil will be taking over both branches, and some of you will lose your jobs. Those of you who are kept on will have to relocate to Swindon, if you wanna stay. I know, gutting. On a more positive note, the good news is, I've been promoted, so... every cloud. You're still thinking about the bad news aren't you?

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    there are none; the biggest guns the DF ever owned were the coastal guns of 6 and 9.2 inches respectively and they last fired in 1971 or so. The 76 in the Scorpion was a development of WW 2 ammunition. The nearest equivalent, in the DF, to the OTO 76mm round was the 17-pdr round of the antitank gun.....the OTO shell-cases are designed for autoloading but can be manually loaded if the feed system fails.

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    So what is a low pressure gun as opposed to ..... and yes I know google is my friend

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    Not my ballywick but if you look at the two shells there a lot less propellant in the low pressure shell.
    Im Ron Burgendy??

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    low pressure or low velocity?

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    A low pressure gun is one in which the cartridges are designed to deliberately slow the rate of expansion of the gases. Think of the 40mm grenade launcher, the M79. It's cartridge has two chambers within, so that when the primer fires, it doesn't flash all of the propellant at once, rather the gas path of the initial burning propellant is deliberately slowed by a metal or plastic barrier, before it can burn all of the rest of the propellant. It doesn't generate the kind of high case pressures and consequent high recoil. If it didn't, an M79 round would break your shoulder. The downside is comparatively short ranges.

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    The Scorpion's complete round is not much smaller than the 75mm round of the Sherman, but the Sherman round went much further.

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    I believe the Scorpion round is based on the gun of the Saladin.
    Well, there's good news and bad news. The bad news is that Neil will be taking over both branches, and some of you will lose your jobs. Those of you who are kept on will have to relocate to Swindon, if you wanna stay. I know, gutting. On a more positive note, the good news is, I've been promoted, so... every cloud. You're still thinking about the bad news aren't you?

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    they are the same as far as I know; the velocity was too slow for solid shot to work against decent armour and sabot rounds that small were too expensive for their size, so it was either HEAT or HESH, to defeat armour. Brits had a particular love of HESH. I don't know how good the gun was in combat, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
    they are the same as far as I know; the velocity was too slow for solid shot to work against decent armour and sabot rounds that small were too expensive for their size, so it was either HEAT or HESH, to defeat armour. Brits had a particular love of HESH. I don't know how good the gun was in combat, though.
    They love HESH so much Challenger 2 much the only rifled 120mm in the world and no one makes ammo for it anymore

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    Cue endless debate on UK fora about refurbing Ch2 into Ch3 with a Rheinmetall 120mm smoothbore, or building a new, from the ground up, British tank, albeit with the RH 120mm and a German engine and gearbox, but built in the Uk to preserve UK jobs....

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
    Cue endless debate on UK fora about refurbing Ch2 into Ch3 with a Rheinmetall 120mm smoothbore, or building a new, from the ground up, British tank, albeit with the RH 120mm and a German engine and gearbox, but built in the Uk to preserve UK jobs....
    Thought the remaining Ch2's were already being refitted with a smoothbore? Given the (relatively) small numbers of MBT's left in service (what it's about 250?) is it really feasible to do a homegrown design for a Ch3?

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