Scorpion replacment?

[kaiser]

Apologies, didn't realise it was coaxial. Always thought there was only the AA mount for the GPMG.

no need for apologies mate there is a hmg mount on the turret of some of them not sure if all have them

[Goldie fish]

no need for apologies mate there is a hmg mount on the turret of some of them not sure if all have them

Only 1 in 4 and it's shit. No point in sticking armament OUTSIDE the armour. Introduced by a famous anti war ex commandant.

[DeV]

Only 1 in 4 and it's shit. No point in sticking armament OUTSIDE the armour. Introduced by a famous anti war ex commandant.

Can an AA MG mount be done under armour giving the elevation required?

Even the US do it

[kaiser]

not in the space provided

[DeV]

I was talking about any AFV.... Not just CVR(T)

[kaiser]

Only 1 in 4 and it's shit. No point in sticking armament OUTSIDE the armour. Introduced by a famous anti war ex commandant.

don't most of natos mbt have hmg,s on the outside for crew use?
don't our rws have the capabilities to be fired manually by someone on the outside incase the system fails
theres always a point

[kaiser]

As is, a Scorpion has protection against 14.5 on the frontal arc and 7.62 AP elsewhere (that is widespread knowledge), MOWAG depends in what we ordered. The armour can be upgraded.

The 76mm will cause a fair amount of damage and will definitely take out other light armour (remember 20-30mm is used to take out light armour these days). It has a coax 7.62 and the AA mount will take either a 7.62 or HMG. What it needs is a sight/FCS upgrade and fume extractor in this regard. If you want something bigger it can be upgraded to a 90mm.

What Scorpion has that practical no other armour vehicle has very low ground pressure (it is lower than a human's). That makes it extremely mobile. If it had a Diesel engine it would be better (available as upgrade).

I argued for a replacement for the AML90s and was told no.

who did you argue with??

[DeV]

http://www.scorpiontank.co.uk/html/UpgradeMenu.html

[Come-quickly]

who did you argue with??

Presumably with someone who kept reading his Google-fu posts.

Back on topic. I'm all for a Scorpion Upgrade in its due time and place, the timing seems strange considering there aren't even any Liberia type missions on the Horizon and the specialisation of the platform marks it out more as a Bn GP asset while we are currently only committing coy gps.

I'm not doubting the benefits of its mobility and direct fire support potential, but it is a mobile gun on a very lightly protected recce chassis. Does anyone know if the upgrade is anything more than a diesel powerpack and improved FCU?

There are probably off the shelf applique and cage kits out there but I can't see the budget stretching that far; the only real reason I can think of for this sudden prioritisation is that the fleet was about to go u/s.

Even if that was the case, the rifle upgrade definitely seems more pressing.

[DeV]

who did you argue with??

I was disagreeing with Havoc

[Goldie fish]

Can an AA MG mount be done under armour giving the elevation required?

Even the US do it

On what?
What we have is akin to the ww2 tanker standing on the hull of a Sherman pointing a 30 cal skyward.

[DeV]

On what?
What we have is akin to the ww2 tanker standing on the hull of a Sherman pointing a 30 cal skyward.

It is standard practice, there is no other way to put it on an AA mounting on any AFV. Also it is for self protection only obviously!

[Goldie fish]

Show me a photo of a similar setup in use on a modern AFV.

[Come-quickly]

Only 1 in 4 and it's shit. No point in sticking armament OUTSIDE the armour. Introduced by a famous anti war ex commandant.

Was that for shooting down the black helicopters?

[danno]

Is the obsolete word appropriate?