Scorpion replacment?

[danno]

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No point bringing an armoured vehicle with you if you have to fire any weapon from outside the armour.

Just like the Ford Thompsons that shot up the Fouga at Jado

[trellheim]

long time ago.


any more off topic about israelis will incure severe wrath as you all know well it doesn't belong here. Back to CVRT discussion please.

What(or more importantly, why) the upgrade ?

[Goldie fish]

The upgrade should have happened 10-15 years ago, when the rest of the Armoured fleet went diesel. It didn't. The scorpion no longer has a place on the armoured orbat. The only reason the UK forcec upgraded their scimtars etc was because they urgently needed vehicles of this type in Iraq etc. The Irish DF has no such urgent requirement in its overseas deployments, even if the vehicle was ever deployed. To date the cars have barely gone beyond the Glen of Imaal, and anywhere further was on the back of DROPS or Low Loader.

[pym]

What(or more importantly, why) the upgrade ?

Well we can't have them spluttering and breaking down on O'Connell St. come 2016, can we?

[Goldie fish]

I wonder, given their age, can they accept "Unleaded" petrol?

[Schmigs]

Is it still possible to get leaded petrol?

[Goldie fish]

I think you must put additives into unleaded for older vehicles, as the fuel burns much hotter.

[hptmurphy]

and anywhere further was on the back of DROPS or Low Loader

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Correct....and as it should be.

Look at what the British Army has spent on dedicated tank transporters in the past years....and why... because tanks don't get driven any where, the get dropped there,fight,get picked up....and go home.

Hence the German invasion of Russia in 1941 failed.......they wore out the tanks driving them to the battlefield.

What(or more importantly, why) the upgrade

(a) Diesel engine.
(b) Diesel engine.

Commonality of fuel and lack of means of transporting petrol and the need to have petrol in storage.

[trellheim]

So, who then said ... rifles or diesels... and why now !

[Come-quickly]

So, who then said ... rifles or diesels... and why now !

That was my question back in post no. 239. before we got into indepth discussions of the ability of HMGs on pintle mounts on CVRTs in Lebanon/The Golan to shoot down Israeli spy satellites without offending anyone or denying the validity of army culture...oh and a bunch of semi-coherent stuff about tanks from you know who.

[DeV]

Surely if it was going on a Scorpion upgrade there would be an open tender for a Scorpion upgrade.

[Tempest]

Tender for engines perhaps, swap-out would be done in cavalry workshops. Haven't one or two received the diesel engine already?

[hptmurphy]

Tender for engines perhaps, swap-out would be done in cavalry workshops. Haven't one or two received the diesel engine already?

One

[hptmurphy]

t regularly ploughed trees out of the way to recover a few mis-laid mowags up to their bo***cks in mud! A scorpion could've done the same

Given there were still Mowags laid up in 2009, three years after they came home from Liberia , I reckon we might have ended up leaving scorpions behind rather than dragging them home.

[Come-quickly]

To be fair the British CVRTs performed pretty well on long range patrols in Afghanistan.

Not every AFV is about physical force protection.