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For the Scorpion to be viable:
- new engine
- new FCS and night sights
As a minimum
- new engine
- new FCS and night sights
As a minimum
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And you're still left with a 1970's vintage light tank without a modern equivalent, with a non NATO compatible 76mm gun, with said gun's well known crew fume issue, with difficult to source ammunition, that can't fire on the move or kill anything more than a 30mm Bushmaster can, that will still probably never deploy further than 30 miles east of the Curragh. But hey it has lower ground pressure than a man....great for those parades down O'Connell St.Originally posted by DeV View Post
I'll go back to avoiding the Ryanair thread for now....Last edited by Jetjock; 18 August 2013, 22:37.Comment
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As minimum, was the fume problem not sorted?Originally posted by Jetjock View Post
We could upgrade to a 90mm, upgrade the armour etc etc
Alternatively a MOWAG with a 90mmComment
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So after new engines, armour, tracks, FCS, fume mitigation and possibly armament you could have bought one or 2 more mowags. Pausing the rifle upgrade for the sake of a few relics in the DFTC stinks of army politics and a parting gift from a cav man.Originally posted by DeV View PostEveryone who's ever loved you was wrong.Comment
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The difference being, the S61, unlike the scorpoins, do not still have the same skin, engines, electrics as it did when bought first day. Also, the S61 is being replaced.Originally posted by danno View Post
Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.Comment
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It was indeed.As minimum, was the fume problem not sorted?
Cheaper to buy a new vehicle.We could upgrade to a 90mm, upgrade the armour etc etc
The engine upgrade alone exceeds the cost price of the existing vehicle.Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safeComment
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Just a thought, given the AFV recognition skills of the average Irish person...what if the 'upgraded' Scorpions looked a bit like, [ahem] this?
Just you know, some applique armour and a new muzzle brake...totally different powerpack and road wheels and tracks, and dimensions. But you know, these aftermarket kits are very comprehensive nowadays..."It is a general popular error to imagine that loudest complainers for the public to be the most anxious for it's welfare" Edmund BurkeComment
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CV90120 ?Originally posted by Come-quickly View PostJust a thought, given the AFV recognition skills of the average Irish person...what if the 'upgraded' Scorpions looked a bit like, [ahem] this?
Just you know, some applique armour and a new muzzle brake...totally different powerpack and road wheels and tracks, and dimensions. But you know, these aftermarket kits are very comprehensive nowadays...
An unproven prototype ?
The IFV version comes in at 2-4 times the cost of a Irish MOWAG.Last edited by DeV; 20 August 2013, 13:46.Comment
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It would look great driving down O'Connell street on Easter Sunday 2016.
Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.Comment
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I'm expecting a lot of vehicle "trials" come 2016Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
On a more serious note - is the Scorpion's low profile an advantage in its recce role, versus a Mowag or LTAV? If so, is it totally outweighed by the limitations of the platform - even given a total upgrade.Last edited by pym; 20 August 2013, 14:10.Comment
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Originally posted by DeV View Post
You need actual professional help."It is a general popular error to imagine that loudest complainers for the public to be the most anxious for it's welfare" Edmund BurkeComment
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The problem with the CVRT famult is that is fine for what its designed, scouting in front of armoured formations and finding the soviets in westernm germany. Anything else, and its got problems. In the modern battlefield its lack of mine protection means its totally obsolete.
The problem though is that the past two decades have really put this development of this sort of AFV on a back burner, especially the past decade. Whole load of scorpion replacements that got cannedfrom the 1990's onwards. Hence why the brits use CVRT in Afghanistan, even though by this stage they're like grandfathers axe.
The result is that although the CVRT might be obsolete, there is not an awful lot of replace it with. The thinking may be to upgrade now, retain the skills and expertise, and hopefully in a decade from now projects like FRES SV will have matured. and be available for export customers.Comment
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If you are going for aftermarket upgrades, you forgot a rear spoiler and go-faster stripes...Originally posted by Come-quickly View PostJust a thought, given the AFV recognition skills of the average Irish person...what if the 'upgraded' Scorpions looked a bit like, [ahem] this?
Just you know, some applique armour and a new muzzle brake...totally different powerpack and road wheels and tracks, and dimensions. But you know, these aftermarket kits are very comprehensive nowadays...
'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
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Small, armoured with tracks and a shit load of weapons systems..forget scorpion..Wiesel is your only man!Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safeComment
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