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    how big/small should the NS be?

    Will someone from the navel service tell me
    How many navel ships we need ,to secure our waters,
    are we under strength ? we seem to have a very small navy

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    Quote Originally Posted by boy in blue View Post
    Will someone from the navel service tell me
    How many navel ships we need ,to secure our waters,
    are we under strength ? we seem to have a very small navy
    Could do with another 8 or so ships to add to our small naval service. The approach I would take is more is better. Also need to take into account is that half of the ships are approaching / past the use by date. Very small navy indeed but great work done by all.

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    I think its time for the government to start being serious and allot a certain amount of GDP for defense,if we are to be taken seriously as a modern country,
    We are an island for feck sake we need to pump resources into our navy,and have it properly equipped

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    Quote Originally Posted by boy in blue View Post
    I think its time for the government to start being serious and allot a certain amount of GDP for defense,if we are to be taken seriously as a modern country,
    We are an island for feck sake we need to pump resources into our navy,and have it properly equipped
    Now, my young grasshopper, lets put some reality on your request.
    (btw, I agree with the sentiment of your post)

    At present, we spend around 0.55% GDP on defence (about a quarter of that is used to pay pensions)
    Lets say that the government decided in the morning that it should really be spending 0.8%

    The extra 0.25% of GPD equates to around €400m.
    Now we don't want to cut any schools or hospitals to pay for this so,
    lets spread this out as a household charge across the roughly 1658k households in Ireland.
    You would be expecting each home to pay a "defence forces charge" of €240 to fund the increase.
    Good luck trying to sell that one to the politicians when people are up in arms about paying that for an essential like water.
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    Prior to WW1, the british Government spent 50% of its entire budget on the Royal Navy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archimedes View Post
    Now, my young grasshopper, lets put some reality on your request.
    (btw, I agree with the sentiment of your post)

    At present, we spend around 0.55% GDP on defence (about a quarter of that is used to pay pensions)
    Lets say that the government decided in the morning that it should really be spending 0.8%

    The extra 0.25% of GPD equates to around €400m.
    Now we don't want to cut any schools or hospitals to pay for this so,
    lets spread this out as a household charge across the roughly 1658k households in Ireland.
    You would be expecting each home to pay a "defence forces charge" of €240 to fund the increase.
    Good luck trying to sell that one to the politicians when people are up in arms about paying that for an essential like water.
    Yet we can still give 640 million in foreign aid to equip African countries armed services,how do they sell this to the people??
    Last edited by boy in blue; 13th November 2014 at 17:42. Reason: spelling error

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    Prior to WW1, the british Government spent 50% of its entire budget on the Royal Navy.
    Yes but life expectancy was in the 50's and a lot less than that in the colonies that were providing the British Govt with the wherewithal to fund the ship building.
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    or spending 24 billion on welfare

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    Prior to WW1, the british Government spent 50% of its entire budget on the Royal Navy.
    Well unfortunately we don't have a vast colonies in the four corners of the earth to pay for our military like the British did, plus the governments back then weren't crippled by the costs of being nanny states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boy in blue View Post
    Yet we can still give 640 million in foreign aid to equip African countries armed services,how do they sell this to the people??
    Yes but you have to realize, there is a pityfull amount left to buy the arms after the foreign aid corporations take there cut out of it.

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    In this era of cost/returns efficiencies it would be difficult to demonstate what financial benefit would accrue to the State from having an enlarged NS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danno View Post
    In this era of cost/returns efficiencies it would be difficult to demonstate what financial benefit would accrue to the State from having an enlarged NS.
    From my point of view, cost / return efficiencies should not really come into it. Some services are too critical and I believe that a sufficient deterrent is required and hence a larger navy. When you compare that the government gets 3 euro return to every one spent in the construction of roads in Ireland but yet we still suffer from a decaying regional / local road network etc. Just because something is cost efficient does not tend to make Irish Government react

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    A long, long time ago it was recommended that we should have s fleet of 8 ships. This was so we had the minimum required to meet our various treaty commitments especially fishery protection. But that was the minimum. Sinne the we have expanded our sea area by 100%. Would mean we now need 16 ships although we have no legal obligations for fishery protection in the new area.

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