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Guys.I reckon this whole thread is a massive bite.Designed to wind up our BA posters with the "rumour" about a new rifle and designed to wind us up with the dig about the cost of our Steyr upgrade.
Fact: The MoD is not due to start an replacement program for the L85 until 2020 at the earliest(2025 being more likely).
Fact: NATO are currently trying to decide the way forward with regards a new standard calibre ammunition,with an interim calibre somewhere between 5.56 and 7.62 being the likely outcome(a result of 5.56 being found to be underpowered at certain ranges out in the 'stan).No NATO member or PFP member will change to a new to a new 5.56 rifle as to do so would be stupid in the extreme as if NATO changes to 6.7mm for example then the cost of 5.56 will skyrocket!
Fact: Ireland as a PFP member has upgraded our nearly 30 year old weapons to extend the service life until NATO makes it's mind up.Simple as.
Fact:As of yesterday evening there is zero mention of the above "rumour" anywhere else on the 'net especially over on ARRSE where every other rumour about the BA is to be found."Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.
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Originally posted by apod View PostGuys.I reckon this whole thread is a massive bite.Designed to wind up our BA posters with the "rumour" about a new rifle and designed to wind us up with the dig about the cost of our Steyr upgrade.
Fact: The MoD is not due to start an replacement program for the L85 until 2020 at the earliest(2025 being more likely).
Fact: NATO are currently trying to decide the way forward with regards a new standard calibre ammunition,with an interim calibre somewhere between 5.56 and 7.62 being the likely outcome(a result of 5.56 being found to be underpowered at certain ranges out in the 'stan).No NATO member or PFP member will change to a new to a new 5.56 rifle as to do so would be stupid in the extreme as if NATO changes to 6.7mm for example then the cost of 5.56 will skyrocket!
Fact: Ireland as a PFP member has upgraded our nearly 30 year old weapons to extend the service life until NATO makes it's mind up.Simple as.
Fact:As of yesterday evening there is zero mention of the above "rumour" anywhere else on the 'net especially over on ARRSE where every other rumour about the BA is to be found.Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe
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Originally posted by apod View PostGuys.I reckon this whole thread is a massive bite.Designed to wind up our BA posters with the "rumour" about a new rifle and designed to wind us up with the dig about the cost of our Steyr upgrade.
Fact: The MoD is not due to start an replacement program for the L85 until 2020 at the earliest(2025 being more likely).
Fact: NATO are currently trying to decide the way forward with regards a new standard calibre ammunition,with an interim calibre somewhere between 5.56 and 7.62 being the likely outcome(a result of 5.56 being found to be underpowered at certain ranges out in the 'stan).No NATO member or PFP member will change to a new to a new 5.56 rifle as to do so would be stupid in the extreme as if NATO changes to 6.7mm for example then the cost of 5.56 will skyrocket!
Fact: Ireland as a PFP member has upgraded our nearly 30 year old weapons to extend the service life until NATO makes it's mind up.Simple as.
Fact:As of yesterday evening there is zero mention of the above "rumour" anywhere else on the 'net especially over on ARRSE where every other rumour about the BA is to be found.
yes I do not think the MOD are going to replace anything just that guys going to Iraq on he 14th of Jan will be issued with scars. so I was told by someone who will be going. not sure if they are using the 5.56 or 7.62 versions
Agree 5.56 is under powered, 270/6.7mm would be a compromise but why bother when u have a perfectly adequate 7.62. ammo already being produced etc
The upgrade has been a very expensive exercise
anyway by end of January we will know if the rumour was false
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for example then the cost of 5.56 will skyrocket!
We were buying 25pdr ammo 50 years after they stopped producing the gun....Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe
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Originally posted by na grohmití View PostTook away its full auto capability, made it longer, added a weaker bayonet. In the Falklands it was being dumped wholesale as its users picked up the discarded FN FAL of dead and fleeing Argentinians.
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Originally posted by danno View PostI always understood it was the Sterling smg that was swopped for the FN.'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html
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Originally posted by danno View PostI always understood it was the Sterling smg that was swopped for the FN."On the plains of hesitation, bleach the bones of countless millions, who on the very dawn of victory, laid down to rest, and in resting died.
Never give up!!"
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Originally posted by apod View PostGuys.I reckon this whole thread is a massive bite.Designed to wind up our BA posters with the "rumour" about a new rifle and designed to wind us up with the dig about the cost of our Steyr upgrade.
Fact: The MoD is not due to start an replacement program for the L85 until 2020 at the earliest(2025 being more likely).
Fact: NATO are currently trying to decide the way forward with regards a new standard calibre ammunition,with an interim calibre somewhere between 5.56 and 7.62 being the likely outcome(a result of 5.56 being found to be underpowered at certain ranges out in the 'stan).No NATO member or PFP member will change to a new to a new 5.56 rifle as to do so would be stupid in the extreme as if NATO changes to 6.7mm for example then the cost of 5.56 will skyrocket!
Fact: Ireland as a PFP member has upgraded our nearly 30 year old weapons to extend the service life until NATO makes it's mind up.Simple as.
Fact:As of yesterday evening there is zero mention of the above "rumour" anywhere else on the 'net especially over on ARRSE where every other rumour about the BA is to be found.
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MOD: After investigating a complaint against the OP for trolling(which I predicted) it turns out the complaint was indeed justified and "trainguard" was one of our old friends
He has been banned.This whole thread is,as suspected,a bite.Thread closed."Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.
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