AC fighter aircraft

[SwiftandSure]

So if a Bear travelling along the west coast of Ireland, having been intercepted by the RAF suddenly turns east over Ireland towards London, who makes the decision whether or not to engage it over Ireland? Enda or David?

If Cameron choses to pull the trigger over Ireland bringing down a Bear with a potential nuclear payload, that would probably regress Anglo Irish relations significantly.

[morpheus]

And it will have been our own fault for not having adequate defences.

[SwiftandSure]

I doubt Joe Soap will see it that way.

[HavocIRL]

I think there will be bigger headlines in the news considering more then likely a state of war would exist between Britain and Russia in that scenario

[SwiftandSure]

Okay, pop quiz hotshot!

Russian Bear with nuclear payload and no blackbox, intercepted by RAF, changes course for London, with Dublin in it's path. Crew immediately bail out and are retrieved by a conveniently placed Russian sub in the Atlantic Ocean. Putin, 5 minutes later, goes public saying that the Bear experienced technical difficulties causing the crew to bail out; appeals to Ireland and Britain to do whatever necessary. The Bear is now on autopilot towards London over Irish soil. Biggles in his Typhoon is ready and able to bring it down, but needs authorisation. Enda and David are on a call. Who gives it and when?

[DeV]

Ireland would have to give authorisation for the armed operational Typhoon to enter Irish airspace (against Government policy) first

Of course we couldn't do anything to prevent them doing so anyway

[hptmurphy]

Okay, pop quiz hotshot!

Russian Bear with nuclear payload and no blackbox, intercepted by RAF, changes course for London, with Dublin in it's path. Crew immediately bail out and are retrieved by a conveniently placed Russian sub in the Atlantic Ocean. Putin, 5 minutes later, goes public saying that the Bear experienced technical difficulties causing the crew to bail out; appeals to Ireland and Britain to do whatever necessary. The Bear is now on autopilot towards London over Irish soil. Biggles in his Typhoon is ready and able to bring it down, but needs authorisation. Enda and David are on a call. Who gives it and when?

the guy driving the hover tank based on the stealth frigate!

[ropebag]

Okay, pop quiz hotshot!

Russian Bear with nuclear payload and no blackbox, intercepted by RAF, changes course for London, with Dublin in it's path. Crew immediately bail out and are retrieved by a conveniently placed Russian sub in the Atlantic Ocean. Putin, 5 minutes later, goes public saying that the Bear experienced technical difficulties causing the crew to bail out; appeals to Ireland and Britain to do whatever necessary. The Bear is now on autopilot towards London over Irish soil. Biggles in his Typhoon is ready and able to bring it down, but needs authorisation. Enda and David are on a call. Who gives it and when?

thats easy, theres a big water-filled ditch between Ireland and the UK, thats the best place for the rogue BEAR. we'd probably want it in UK waters, and fairly shallow UK waters so we could recover the nuke without Russian 'help'. realistically however we'd probably put an AMRAAM into it as soon as it left Irish airspace and hope it floats down somewhere in the middle (i rather doubt the IG would want it 5 miles offshore anyway..) and worry about the niceties of recovery later.

in big picture terms however we are not going to take risks - GBFO nuclear risks - for the sake of diplomatic niceties, in exactly the same way as we would not expect the Government of Ireland to take such risks for the sake of our sensibilities, but we're also not going to put 100 tonnes of burning, nuclear armed bomber into a Dublin suburb with a shrug and a 'not our problem, should have bought you're own fighters'...

[HavocIRL]

Okay, pop quiz hotshot!

Russian Bear with nuclear payload and no blackbox, intercepted by RAF, changes course for London, with Dublin in it's path. Crew immediately bail out and are retrieved by a conveniently placed Russian sub in the Atlantic Ocean. Putin, 5 minutes later, goes public saying that the Bear experienced technical difficulties causing the crew to bail out; appeals to Ireland and Britain to do whatever necessary. The Bear is now on autopilot towards London over Irish soil. Biggles in his Typhoon is ready and able to bring it down, but needs authorisation. Enda and David are on a call. Who gives it and when?

In this scenario the likely outcome would be a crack commando unit including Steven Segal and Kurt Russell would use a modified F117 stealth fighter to come up underneath the Bear and using a modified access port on the roof of the F117, attach itself to the bear. Then using the access door underneath the bear gain entry.

Unfortunately due to unexpected turbulence the pilot of the F117 would be unable to maintain a smooth connection with the bear, causing the entry port to suffer catastrophic failure, killing Steven Segal in the process and destroying the F117.

What's left of the crack commando unit with the encouragement of Kurt Russell would then use their guile and wits to overcome any Russian crew members left onboard with the help of stewardess Halle Berry.

The Bear, no doubt at this point damaged beyond repair can only be landed after a tense scene with Kurt Russell assuming the controls of the aircraft and being talked through landing procedure by a British Pilot on the ground.

[Flamingo]

Okay, pop quiz hotshot!

Russian Bear with nuclear payload and no blackbox, intercepted by RAF, changes course for London, with Dublin in it's path. Crew immediately bail out and are retrieved by a conveniently placed Russian sub in the Atlantic Ocean. Putin, 5 minutes later, goes public saying that the Bear experienced technical difficulties causing the crew to bail out; appeals to Ireland and Britain to do whatever necessary. The Bear is now on autopilot towards London over Irish soil. Biggles in his Typhoon is ready and able to bring it down, but needs authorisation. Enda and David are on a call. Who gives it and when?

For all the pisstake, a scenario like this could be possible. History is full of unstable regimes or leaders manufacturing incidents to justify or cover a firststrike.

[ODIN]

Huffington Post article on the latest incursions

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015...?utm_hp_ref=tw

[SwiftandSure]

thats easy, theres a big water-filled ditch between Ireland and the UK, thats the best place for the rogue BEAR. we'd probably want it in UK waters, and fairly shallow UK waters so we could recover the nuke without Russian 'help'. realistically however we'd probably put an AMRAAM into it as soon as it left Irish airspace and hope it floats down somewhere in the middle (i rather doubt the IG would want it 5 miles offshore anyway..) and worry about the niceties of recovery later.

in big picture terms however we are not going to take risks - GBFO nuclear risks - for the sake of diplomatic niceties, in exactly the same way as we would not expect the Government of Ireland to take such risks for the sake of our sensibilities, but we're also not going to put 100 tonnes of burning, nuclear armed bomber into a Dublin suburb with a shrug and a 'not our problem, should have bought you're own fighters'...

But what if Enda doesn't want a nuclear armed Bear flying unmanned over the Irish capital?

In this scenario the likely outcome would be a crack commando unit including Steven Segal and Kurt Russell would use a modified F117 stealth fighter to come up underneath the Bear and using a modified access port on the roof of the F117, attach itself to the bear. Then using the access door underneath the bear gain entry......

[Shaqra]

In this scenario the likely outcome would be a crack commando unit including Steven Segal and Kurt Russell would use a modified F117 stealth fighter to come up underneath the Bear and using a modified access port on the roof of the F117, attach itself to the bear. Then using the access door underneath the bear gain entry.

Should that not read "a crack commando unit including Mick Wallace, Clare Daly and Martin Ferris " ? Given their combined experience of breaching airport security systems and weapons handling they would be eminently qualified to lead such a mission and it would be entirely in line with their stated commitment to maintaining the inviolability of our "neutrality".

[hptmurphy]

...Could just fit a set of AIM 9L sidewinders to either the Government Citation or the Gully 4.

Ifthe Brits could do it with a Nimrod during the falklands..couldn't we.


What about all that stealth stuff the US had hiding above in Abbeyshrule...and the very observant postman?


I'll get me coat.....

[hptmurphy]

For all the pisstake, a scenario like this could be possible. History is full of unstable regimes or leaders manufacturing incidents to justify or cover a firststrike.

Yeah! Hot Shots Part Deux ! comes to mind....