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  • #16
    Please tell me our radars are able to pick them up and track them.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Truck Driver View Post
      Was just thinking that myself. Article mentioned that the fighters had turned off their transponders - so civvy flights would not have been able to pick them up
      The risk of a mid air collision in such cases - especially with fighters capable of Mach 2 type speeds - is very real
      i think it means - its badly written - that the BEAR's had their transponders off, not the Typhoons.

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      • #18
        radar can pick them up but has no idea who they are and cant assign a squawk to them.

        they are unidentified blips travelling through conjested airspace with no designation.

        try and control transatlantic flights at varying heights travelling in and out of your airspace with two russian bears hammerring transversely through it without even answering to civilian controllers.

        theyve almost caused 2 air crashes in scandinavian countries already.

        a quote from the interweb:

        A transponder (short-for transmitter-responder[1] and sometimes abbreviated to XPDR,[2] XPNDR,[3] TPDR[4] or TP[5]) is an electronic device that produces a response when it receives a radio-frequency interrogation. Aircraft have transponders to assist in identifying them on air traffic control radar; and collision avoidance systems have been developed to use transponder transmissions as a means of detecting aircraft at risk of colliding with each other.[6][7]
        "He is an enemy officer taken in battle and entitled to fair treatment."
        "No, sir. He's a sergeant, and they don't deserve no respect at all, sir. I should know. They're cunning and artful, if they're any good. I wouldn't mind if he was an officer, sir. But sergeants are clever."

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        • #19
          They were just saying hello.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by sofa View Post
            Please tell me our radars are able to pick them up and track them.
            MOD: Information regarding specific amounts of DF equipment will NOT be given out by forum members.No debate.
            Last edited by apod; 31 January 2015, 09:30. Reason: OPSEC information disclosed.

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            • #21
              MOD: Post edited.
              Last edited by apod; 31 January 2015, 09:32. Reason: To remove a quote from a previously edited post.
              For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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              • #22
                The Irish Aviation Authority has confirmed two Russian military aircraft, shadowed by a number of British fighter jets, flew through Irish controlled airspace off the west coast on Wednesday.

                The Russian Bear military aircraft did not enter Irish sovereign airspace and there was no risk to commercial aircraft operating in the area at the time....

                In a statement the Department of Defence said non-controlled and non-notified flight activity by Russian aircraft is not acceptable.
                The Irish Aviation Authority has confirmed two Russian military aircraft, shadowed by a number of British fighter jets, flew through Irish controlled airspace off the west coast on Wednesday.


                Shake harder

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                • #23
                  Strange to see the DoD getting in on the act.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by RoyalGreenJacket View Post
                    how close did they come to Irish mainland before they got close to mainland UK?

                    might be nice to have a few Typhoons on QRA in Shannon now that we're all chums now
                    Would having RAF Aircraft on Irish Soil mean Ireland was then a member of Nato by Association.

                    What If The DF(IAC) Leased 8 Eurofighter Typhoon's 6 single seat versions 2 twin seat versions and the RAF Based the same amount at Aldergrove. ? (But there's probably more chance of Geomagnetic reversal to happen in the next ten years than that happening)

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Stevo768 View Post
                      Would having RAF Aircraft on Irish Soil mean Ireland was then a member of Nato by Association.

                      What If The DF(IAC) Leased 8 Eurofighter Typhoon's 6 single seat versions 2 twin seat versions and the RAF Based the same amount at Aldergrove. ? (But there's probably more chance of Geomagnetic reversal to happen in the next ten years than that happening)
                      Well cost for one, sadly. But we are a NATO member by association with the PfP, surely?
                      I knew a simple soldier boy.....
                      Who grinned at life in empty joy,
                      Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
                      And whistled early with the lark.

                      In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
                      With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
                      He put a bullet through his brain.
                      And no one spoke of him again.

                      You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
                      Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
                      Sneak home and pray you'll never know
                      The hell where youth and laughter go.

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                      • #26
                        Headline on the Indo today: "Ireland drawn into New Cold War as Putin flexes muscles"

                        Bit over the top isn't it? I mean yeah it was a slightly embarrassing episode for Ireland having to rely on the RAF to secure our airspace but I don't think Putin or Russia would give two sh**'s about Ireland in a New Cold War.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Stevo768 View Post
                          Would having RAF Aircraft on Irish Soil mean Ireland was then a member of Nato by Association....
                          nope, no more than Japan is a member of NATO because the US has a presence there, or you become a member of your friends mountaineering club because you walk to the pub together.

                          the easiest way to progress on the air defence/air policing issue would be to have the minimal infrastructure neccessary at Shannon or Knock for RAF/French/Norwegian/Danish aircraft to refuel or lay up, its not worth basing aircraft there (in the current threat environment) because we get enough notice from the Norwegian, Danish and UK radars to have aircraft sat off Donegal in time to meet our unwelcome guests. if we wanted to go further we could look at temporary detachments and exercises, or moving/establishing an RAF AD base to RAF Valley, or (and this is much more complex) putting Irish aircrew through fast jet training and seconding them to the Typhoon force and having the Typhoon force act as a 'pooled' AD capability for both countries. this would, obviously, be a political and financial minefield, but if both sides wanted it it could be done. wit of man etc...

                          the costs involved of setting up a sovereign fighter force - airframes, techs, training, aircrew - would be astonishing. i wouldn't bet on much change of €5 billion over 5 or 6 years, and it would only be operational for perhaps 2 of those. it would be a 'courageous' politician who went for it.

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                          • #28
                            I believe we should have more than just PC-9's for the Air Corps.
                            However, some perspective, the Swiss Air Force have fleet of c.70 fighter jets (which includes c.20 F/A 18's) and they only normally operate a 'quick reaction alert' system during offices hours, monday-to-friday!
                            IRISH AIR CORPS - Serving the Nation.

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                            • #29
                              The lease idea worked for Italy while they were waiting for the Eurofighter, having retired their starfighters.....
                              For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
                                The lease idea worked for Italy while they were waiting for the Eurofighter, having retired their starfighters.....
                                certainly true - but they had a pre-existing physical, training and crew infrastructure for those aircraft. they went from Starfighters to Tornado's to F-16's, which isn't a great leap. in the same way that the NS could buy a Frigate/Corvette tommorow and have a decent handle on operating it, but if you gave then an SSN they'd be a bit 'err... so what does this do then..?'

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