Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Irish Naval Mediterranean EU rescue patrols

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Clarity

    Originally posted by danno View Post
    In Naval terms Operational Clarity means that any ship undertaking a mission is issued with "Rules of Engagement" backed up with Operational Guidance on levels of response in "Hot" situations. Overlying all that are SOLAS Rules , UNCLOS, plus Rules on use of Force in times of "Peace". Suffice it to say such matters are covered extensively in Major Naval Colleges and major navies issue their ships with ROE Manuals. Such Rules and enforcement guidelines are the responsibility of Government, as is said "no one else has the authority to Defend or Wage War.

    Comment


    • Originally posted by danno View Post
      Sounds clear cut to me

      Obviously Rome disagrees with Dublin

      Comment


      • I.m not sure of all the facts or thought processes but it seems the ship latterly got involved perhaps when the SOLAS element overrode other considerations. If we were in the Naval Group in Operation Sophia we would have had the collective Defence of that organisation on all tasks.

        Comment


        • Safety of the ship first surely but having said that if no active threat

          Comment


          • Saw this online on Saturday and meant to post it, but got busy with stuff.

            It gives a bit more detail, but it is the Sun..............

            FEARS of a terror attack led the Irish Navy to refuse an Italian coastguard request to enter Libyan waters and assist a boat overloaded with 600 migrants for more than two hours, it has emerged. An…

            Comment


            • Originally posted by DeV View Post
              Safety of the ship first surely but having said that if no active threat
              given the ISTAR 'capabilities' of the P60 class, how would the captain have been able to judge whether there was an active threat or not?

              Comment


              • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                If we were in the Naval Group in Operation Sophia we would have had the collective Defence of that organisation on all tasks.
                being a member of an organisation doesn't stop Artillery shells or ATGW - the only thing that has a chance of stopping such an attack is either having defensive capability or being next to something with that capability. it also relies on being well trained/drilled in reacting to such a threat and the actions required to mitigate such a threat. was there a vessel with those defensive capabilities immediately on hand to provide cover?

                do the NS ships in the Med do counter-missile drills and do emergency action exercises, and then follow Italian doctrine with the other vessels operating there before they get close to the Libyan coast, or does that just go in the 'oh, it'll be all right..' box?

                Comment


                • They seem to work alongside MSF ships rather than other naval or coastguard assets.
                  The ship may be grey but the ROE might not be.
                  For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

                  Comment


                  • Purely by Radar and monitoring chatter on VHF/UHF channels. Italians should also be able to provide a daily Aerial Sweep of offshore Libya and say if there were any suspect belligerent craft in the area. Safety of Life at Sea is usually the strongest driver to aiding those in peril on the sea.

                    Comment


                    • Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
                      They seem to work alongside MSF ships rather than other naval or coastguard assets.
                      The ship may be grey but the ROE might not be.
                      Mainly because the other vessels aren't there purely on a humanitarian mission

                      Comment


                      • This is not very complimentary of the Italian coastguard;

                        Previously unheard audio shows Italian authorities telling the sinking migrants to 'call Malta' - despite there being an Italian naval vessel just a few miles away

                        Comment


                        • It is currently a double headed mission designated Operation Pontus made up of ships providing a floating bridge from Middle East/ North Africa to mainly Italy. The more Naval element is Operation Sophia providing an ISTAR approach to curtail the migration by impeding it at source and on sea where possible. They can detain traffickers , sink seized craft,and also aid where rescue capacity needs augmentation.

                          Comment


                          • What sensors does Eithne actually have left now? Ive been after this bone in another thread... i believed that over the years as her sensor suite components became obsolete that , for the most part, they were removed and not replaced, bar the obvious ones?
                            "He is an enemy officer taken in battle and entitled to fair treatment."
                            "No, sir. He's a sergeant, and they don't deserve no respect at all, sir. I should know. They're cunning and artful, if they're any good. I wouldn't mind if he was an officer, sir. But sergeants are clever."

                            Comment


                            • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                              It is currently a double headed mission designated Operation Pontus made up of ships providing a floating bridge from Middle East/ North Africa to mainly Italy. The more Naval element is Operation Sophia providing an ISTAR approach to curtail the migration by impeding it at source and on sea where possible. They can detain traffickers , sink seized craft,and also aid where rescue capacity needs augmentation.
                              What do you mean by "double headed"?

                              Comment


                              • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                                What do you mean by "double headed"?
                                he means two-pronged.

                                PONTUS is the TV friendly stuff the NS is doing, SOPHIA is the less tv friendly stuff that everyone who doesn't want 300,000 north african migrants piling into their countries every year is doing...

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X