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  • Eithne is heading back in May

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    • The government said we needed 8 ships in the white paper. If they plan to send a ship to the med on a regular basis, then we should have at least nine ships, maintaining at least 8 for coastal and fishery protection

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      • doh

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        • Originally posted by ibenji View Post
          The government said we needed 8 ships in the white paper. If they plan to send a ship to the med on a regular basis, then we should have at least nine ships, maintaining at least 8 for coastal and fishery protection
          P31 (1)
          P41 (2)
          P42 (3)
          P51 (4)
          P52 (5)
          P61 (6)
          P62 (7)
          P63 (8)
          Plus P64 currently being built makes 9.
          What's your point?
          For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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          • Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
            P31 (1)
            P41 (2)
            P42 (3)
            P51 (4)
            P52 (5)
            P61 (6)
            P62 (7)
            P63 (8)
            Plus P64 currently being built makes 9.
            What's your point?

            P64 is a replacement for one of the P40s (which one yet to be decided)

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            • Originally posted by A/TEL View Post
              P64 is a replacement for one of the P40s (which one yet to be decided)
              That's yet to be publicly announced??

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              • Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
                P31 (1)
                P41 (2)
                P42 (3)
                P51 (4)
                P52 (5)
                P61 (6)
                P62 (7)
                P63 (8)
                Plus P64 currently being built makes 9.
                What's your point?
                My point is that P64 is due in sometime in 2018. With one away, it leave only 7 left to patrol the coast of Ireland. Given staff shortages and routine / maintenance requirements, it puts undue pressure on the limited resources committing a ship to the cause. Does even 9 ships actually meet minimum requirements ?

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                • What is your concept of minimum requirements in terms of units needed to meet intended outputs.

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                  • Originally posted by danno View Post
                    What is your concept of minimum requirements in terms of units needed to meet intended outputs.
                    Well from working near the base for a year or so, it would appear that out of a fleet of 8 ships, the navy struggle to have 4 ships on patrol at any one time. With 1 of the 8 gone now, what impact will this have at anyone service delivery? I would really hope the the need for additional ships is recognised soon and that in the medium future we will see the fleet expanding to at least 12 ships

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                    • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                      That's yet to be publicly announced??

                      Trust me, will not be going to 9 ships until there is an increase in establishment. Simply don't have the manpower for 9 ships, or the moneyl!.

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                      • Originally posted by ibenji View Post
                        Well from working near the base for a year or so, it would appear that out of a fleet of 8 ships, the navy struggle to have 4 ships on patrol at any one time. With 1 of the 8 gone now, what impact will this have at anyone service delivery? I would really hope the the need for additional ships is recognised soon and that in the medium future we will see the fleet expanding to at least 12 ships
                        I would have thought that was a very good ratio. Compare with Air Corps availability ratio.

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                        • Originally posted by Smithy View Post
                          I would have thought that was a very good ratio. Compare with Air Corps availability ratio.
                          Maybe so but this dropped to as low as two. Given the geographic size of the the area to be patrolled, between two and four ships available is well below what's actually required.

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                          • Originally posted by ibenji View Post
                            Maybe so but this dropped to as low as two. Given the geographic size of the the area to be patrolled, between two and four ships available is well below what's actually required.
                            Our practical concerns in using and managing the Naval Fleet is of NO concern to the mandarins in the CS. They know we will make every effort but are not embarrassed by failure or shortfalls. In 2017 three ships and crews will be taking part in Operation Pontus in the Mediterranean using sizeable portions of manpower, resources, and fuel from budgets. It is up to uniformed branches to keep submitting development plans for expansion and Defensive capability.

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                            • Given that FP patrol activity has dropped off by 50 % in the last few years without any apparent outcry from the SFPA/trawler operators then might it be safe to conclude that PONTUS is not having such an adverse impact on outputs.

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                              • Originally posted by danno View Post
                                Given that FP patrol activity has dropped off by 50 % in the last few years without any apparent outcry from the SFPA/trawler operators then might it be safe to conclude that PONTUS is not having such an adverse impact on outputs.
                                Not sure of "drop " in inspections by SFPA. In 2015 the out-turn was a total of 2745 inspections of all types , of which , the Navy did 1078 boardings at sea, an average of 2.95 per day. The balance would be landing inspections, inshore inspections for shell fishers , and community inspections carried out by EU exchange inspectors. In 2015 the Navy made 10 detentions . If 3 ships were patrolling 24/7 then they did one boarding, each, every day for 365 days. Seems ok to me. I,m sure Op. Pontus doesn't impact

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