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  • Originally posted by TangoSierra View Post
    What's the bets that the person is trying to cover 6 appointments, 3 of which are of a higher rank with no substitution allowances
    Would it be within the DF or Foreign Affairs for arranging this type of "paperwork"?

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    • If the countries involved were very keen on the projects etc matters would be sorted without a fuss.

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      • It would normally be Dept. of FA through the Embassy in Italy and possibly through EU channels as Op Pontus is an EU effort to save lives. The whole system on our side seems to be unravelling in that it would be obvious at the conclusion of one mission the following mission should have been set up as regards forecasting dates for recommencment, also with a prior mission conference and clearance some weeks before kick off. It is usual to know , where , when , how, and for whom before preparing for any long range mission. I,m disappointed that we revert to stereotype in the eyes of our co-professionals. Typical No Passport and NO Ticket.
        Last edited by ancientmariner; 6 May 2017, 11:18.

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        • Strange how the NS have been planning for this operation for many months, even the crew spouses and partners getting involved in collecting toys for potential refugees, yet a long way up the chain, there is this failure.
          Shocking, but unsurprising, when we are dealing with a government who are more interested in Handing over state funded hospitals to Nuns, and making sure all elected officials attend the dail to pray, whether they believe in that particular faith or not.

          Backwards we are going.
          For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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          • It must be fairly significant if it could not be sorted whilst the unit is in transit/open waters.

            This wont help;

            The new bill on immigration & asylum means only one thing: fewer rights for all. “There are many ways to build a wall: with concrete or with laws.”
            Last edited by danno; 6 May 2017, 13:43.

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            • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
              It would normally be Dept. of FA through the Embassy in Italy and possibly through EU channels as Op Pontus is an EU effort to save lives. The whole system on our side seems to be unravelling in that it would be obvious at the conclusion of one mission the following mission should have been set up as regards forecasting dates for recommencment, also with a prior mission conference and clearance some weeks before kick off. It is usual to know , where , when , how, and for whom before preparing for any long range mission. I,m disappointed that we revert to stereotype in the eyes of our co-professionals. Typical No Passport and NO Ticket.
              Assuming that the documents have to flow DF-DOD-DFA

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              • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                Assuming that the documents have to flow DF-DOD-DFA
                My guess is Op Pontus hq- Italian Govt. FA -Irish DFA-Irish Govt.-DOD-and COS for implementation. Presume previous agreement exists, so just rubber stamping and an agreed commencement date.

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                • This is a problem solely caused by DOD. Be very clear on that.

                  Originally posted by TangoSierra View Post
                  What's the bets that the person is trying to cover 6 appointments, 3 of which are of a higher rank with no substitution allowances

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                  • Originally posted by Dogwatch View Post
                    This is a problem solely caused by DOD. Be very clear on that.
                    Clarity not obvious but somebody some where has the answer. Maybe some "beancounter" won't clear the budget for the 2017 mission until the Italians pay up, or something equally charming.

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                    • Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
                      Strange how the NS have been planning for this operation for many months, even the crew spouses and partners getting involved in collecting toys for potential refugees, yet a long way up the chain, there is this failure.
                      Shocking, but unsurprising, when we are dealing with a government who are more interested in Handing over state funded hospitals to Nuns, and making sure all elected officials attend the dail to pray, whether they believe in that particular faith or not.

                      Backwards we are going.
                      Government employ people of average intelligence to look after this low grade clerical stuff.
                      Governments should now step in and sack/promote them side ways the nob who messed up.
                      Last edited by sofa; 6 May 2017, 17:03.

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                      • Originally posted by sofa View Post
                        Government employ people of average intelligence to look after this low grade clerical stuff.
                        Governments should now step in and sack/promote them side ways the nob who messed up.
                        Be under no illusion here. The people of average intelligence of whom you speak are writing to you on this forum. They are not to blame. They have managers with degrees, diplomas and all other forms of decorative paper who are there to ensure the job is done. Their job is guided directly by the minister and his staff who are earning 10 times what the people of average intelligence are earning. This is where the fault lies.
                        For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                        • Diplomas , education is no substitute for intelligence .
                          Don't spit in my Bouillabaisse .

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                          • Planning. Chicken or Egg?

                            Originally posted by Laners View Post
                            Diplomas , education is no substitute for intelligence .
                            Within a continually operational unit, such as a navy with ships at sea , there has to be an oversight Operational Guidance and Analysis system, capable of managing everything to do with ships, for both their employment and deployment schedules. Somebody outside the Navy must have green lighted the original departure scheduled for the 1st May and again someone outside the Navy must have deferred or stopped the Mission. It is at the very least embarrassing and unprofessional. The question is " Who has the authority to declare go "and then obviously that person said don't Go!!

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                            • Latest press on the delay;

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