Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Irish Naval Mediterranean EU rescue patrols

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Originally posted by ropebag View Post
    I can understand why the Italian Navy would show marked indifference to an Antiques roadshow of re-upholstered MiG's, the same however can't be said for the NS...
    There's a whiff of arrogance in that comment that ill-befits a nation with a/c carriers that can't afford the a/c ......... one of the boats is on trials at the moment with no a/c .......

    Always a good idea to check the mirror before taking the piss .....

    Comment


    • Originally posted by Orion View Post
      There's a whiff of arrogance in that comment that ill-befits a nation with a/c carriers that can't afford the a/c ......... one of the boats is on trials at the moment with no a/c .......

      Always a good idea to check the mirror before taking the piss .....
      Not sure where's the arrogance, Italy whose ships mount SAM systems can defend themselves if they ever made true on the threat, the NS can't.

      Comment


      • Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post
        Not sure where's the arrogance, Italy whose ships mount SAM systems can defend themselves if they ever made true on the threat, the NS can't.
        try reading it again ....

        Comment


        • Originally posted by Orion View Post
          try reading it again ....
          Doesn't change the reality.

          Comment


          • Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post
            Doesn't change the reality.
            Which is ....

            There's a whiff of arrogance in that comment that ill-befits a nation with a/c carriers that can't afford the a/c ......... one of the boats is on trials at the moment with no a/c .......

            Comment


            • Rescue Agencies

              Originally posted by Orion View Post
              Which is ....

              There's a whiff of arrogance in that comment that ill-befits a nation with a/c carriers that can't afford the a/c ......... one of the boats is on trials at the moment with no a/c .......
              There is a simmering malfunction between Agencies in the Mediterranean with some civilian rescue boats being helpful to the migrant traffickers by communicating with them and leaving abandoned boats moored together to be collected for re-use. Such actions are taking place in view of Libyan Coast Guard vessels who are supposed to be curtailing that practice. They are currently on an Italian led training program but are obviously reverting to aiding their own compatriots. It is now evident that the economic migrant will overwhelm Europe unless a strong stabilisation action takes place throughout Africa and the Middle and Far East.

              Comment


              • [QUOTE=ancientmariner;453678]There is a simmering malfunction between Agencies in the Mediterranean with some civilian rescue boats being helpful to the migrant traffickers by communicating with them and leaving abandoned boats moored together to be collected for re-use. Such actions are taking place in view of Libyan Coast Guard vessels who are supposed to be curtailing that practice. They are currently on an Italian led training program but are obviously reverting to aiding their own compatriots. It is now evident that the economic migrant will overwhelm Europe unless a strong stabilisation action takes place throughout Africa and the Middle and Far East.[/QU

                Here is the case from earlier this week of an NGO being detained by the Italians.
                https://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...-idUSKBN1AI21B

                Comment


                • Originally posted by Orion View Post
                  There's a whiff of arrogance in that comment that ill-befits a nation with a/c carriers that can't afford the a/c ......... one of the boats is on trials at the moment with no a/c .......

                  Always a good idea to check the mirror before taking the piss .....
                  There's a whiff of arrogance in that comment that ill-befits a nation with HPVs that can't afford the helicopter......... All of our new builds don't have a helideck and our UAVs are made my DJI.......

                  Always a good idea to check the mirror before taking the piss .....
                  Everyone who's ever loved you was wrong.

                  Comment


                  • Originally posted by The real Jack View Post
                    There's a whiff of arrogance in that comment that ill-befits a nation with HPVs that can't afford the helicopter......... All of our new builds don't have a helideck and our UAVs are made my DJI.......

                    Always a good idea to check the mirror before taking the piss .....
                    We can afford the helicopter, it's just the air corpse don't like going more than 100km from their home in south Dublin, and most of irelands waters are beyond that. At least we didn't build ships in the hopes that the aircraft will follow in due course, but only enough for one ship.
                    For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

                    Comment


                    • Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
                      We can afford the helicopter, it's just the air corpse don't like going more than 100km from their home in south Dublin, and most of irelands waters are beyond that. At least we didn't build ships in the hopes that the aircraft will follow in due course, but only enough for one ship.
                      We don't have enough pilots to keep up current commitments and ops!

                      Comment


                      • Flight Decks

                        Originally posted by DeV View Post
                        We don't have enough pilots to keep up current commitments and ops!
                        From now on we must include an air capable deck in our new acquisitions/Builds. Ships operating single helicopters may have a contingency preventing a land on, a nearby ship with a spare deck is a place of refuge/diversion. In the meantime get a compatible long range drone capability on all of our ships until the Navy itself gets airborne.
                        Flying off ships is inherently risky, on 6th August2017 a Boeing Osprey Tilt Rotor, with 26 Crew and Marine detachment, while departing USS Bonhomme Richard, had a deck incident, putting the A/C in the water with a loss of 3 lives RIP. It is important that your aircraft is matched to the size and motions your ship.

                        Comment


                        • From now on we must include an air capable deck in our new acquisitions/Builds. Ships operating single helicopters may have a contingency preventing a land on, a nearby ship with a spare deck is a place of refuge/diversion.
                          Air capable and operating helos can be poles apart as you well know. To become an operator of helos the NS needs an air wing independent of the existing air arms in the state, small steps, lets become 'air capable' before we head down the waste of money route because the children couldn't get on with each other.

                          If we can get air capable right we can then focus on air operable in the future.... but the associated costs could cost hulls in the future...be bare ful what you wish for!
                          Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

                          Comment


                          • Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
                            If we can get air capable right we can then focus on air operable in the future.... but the associated costs could cost hulls in the future...be bare ful what you wish for!
                            Here's an honest question how much more would the P60's have cost to be "air capable"? I mean the River batch is an artificial high, but how much did say the Holland or BAM hulls come in at per unit? Given the "planned" buy of 3 ships and some 150 million for the buy what would that have bought us?

                            Comment


                            • Air and steel are cheap, deciding that helos cannot be in the picture for the next 30 years could be expensive. Call the hanger a multimission bay and the flight deck the cargo deck and say they're for holding migrants or cans going to the leb.
                              Everyone who's ever loved you was wrong.

                              Comment


                              • Originally posted by The real Jack View Post
                                Air and steel are cheap, deciding that helos cannot be in the picture for the next 30 years could be expensive. Call the hanger a multimission bay and the flight deck the cargo deck and say they're for holding migrants or cans going to the leb.
                                Sure but lets be far with the Crash and the aftermath, say there's only the 150ish million for the 3 P 60's, what does that buy as current Western OPV's? I mean the BAM/Hollands seem to be about €120 million from what I can tell, even if we got the same price that would get you 1 hull out of the replacement, and only 2 if you add in the budget for P64 as I can tell, am I wrong? I mean the isn't the "MRV/EPV" got a ballpark of 150ish?

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X