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    People join the NS to go to sea. The only problem with long deployments from the crew point of view was the pay did not match the personal sarcrifices the crews were making. Had they been deployed on any other overseas mission, they would have been paid for the difficulties caused by long periods away from home and family.
    Doing away with the hope of long deployments, in my opinion would be even more detrimental to morale.
    It would also make the case for the EPV/MRV more difficult to justify.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmitÃ* View Post
    People join the NS to go to sea. The only problem with long deployments from the crew point of view was the pay did not match the personal sarcrifices the crews were making. Had they been deployed on any other overseas mission, they would have been paid for the difficulties caused by long periods away from home and family.
    Doing away with the hope of long deployments, in my opinion would be even more detrimental to morale.
    It would also make the case for the EPV/MRV more difficult to justify.
    Resolve deployment Payments issues. Ensure family support with a full time office for issues that arise. Adjust pay to ensure that the state subsidises food and accommodation in shore billets, with NO charges while at sea. Navy recruitment to run continuously to reach viable Strength Numbers. Increase strengths for certain technical grades in engineering and electronics to allow normal Sea/Shore ratios. An MRV could give support for African deployments assuming it may be beefed up by special Irish Units, or if more than one ship was deployed to a mission. Running a 9 ship Navy with supports, with a 1000 personnel is short about 300 all ranks. We should not run spare ships policy or we will rot away.

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    The pay and conditions/lifestyle isn’t attractive to recruit or perhaps more importantly retain personnel

    It is a bit chicken & egg to be honest when you take pay & allowances out of the equation.... you can’t maintain the operational tempo because there isn’t sufficient strength, you aren’t able to retain the strength you do have due to the operational tempo, if you decrease the operational tempo you could find personnel having to live aboard ship along side (unless things have changed) affecting morale & retention, you can’t do the 2 years ashore due to the low strength & operational tempo

    And in just over 2 months a no deal Brexit could result in a need to increase the operational tempo

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    The pay and conditions/lifestyle isn’t attractive to recruit or perhaps more importantly retain personnel

    It is a bit chicken & egg to be honest when you take pay & allowances out of the equation.... you can’t maintain the operational tempo because there isn’t sufficient strength, you aren’t able to retain the strength you do have due to the operational tempo, if you decrease the operational tempo you could find personnel having to live aboard ship along side (unless things have changed) affecting morale & retention, you can’t do the 2 years ashore due to the low strength & operational tempo

    And in just over 2 months a no deal Brexit could result in a need to increase the operational tempo
    Agree that negative inputs from financial measures are causing problems, especially recruitment control which often causes, I believe, deliberate strength drain down. Once assigned to an operational ship, every officer, NCO, and Rating lives on board, and in the case of Single personnel, it's their home for the period of posting. There is a psychological boost when posted ashore and Department of Defence must ensure that strengths meet that posting cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    Agree that negative inputs from financial measures are causing problems, especially recruitment control which often causes, I believe, deliberate strength drain down. Once assigned to an operational ship, every officer, NCO, and Rating lives on board, and in the case of Single personnel, it's their home for the period of posting. There is a psychological boost when posted ashore and Department of Defence must ensure that strengths meet that posting cycle.
    Absolutely agree because the DF is unable to recruit or retain sufficient personnel... not all that being for financial reasons

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Absolutely agree because the DF is unable to recruit or retain sufficient personnel... not all that being for financial reasons
    Naval trips abroad were always a plus factor among most crew. Occasionally domestic strains made it difficult for some crew members when separation became a problem. Recruits and recruiting is a Defence responsibility, however the numbers involved are not part of trained strength , so that in theory if you are at CS4 strength you should have recruits in training to cover statistical personnel losses. The damage is done by continually straining the use of trained personnel by lack of replacements. Training cadres also need to be as permanent as possible with all the skills necessary to guide recruits and approve the successful ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmitÃ* View Post
    People join the NS to go to sea. The only problem with long deployments from the crew point of view was the pay did not match the personal sarcrifices the crews were making. Had they been deployed on any other overseas mission, they would have been paid for the difficulties caused by long periods away from home and family.
    Doing away with the hope of long deployments, in my opinion would be even more detrimental to morale.
    It would also make the case for the EPV/MRV more difficult to justify.
    If the Overseas Mission which attracts overseas rate allowances is scrapped it will speed up the exodus of personnel from the service. Fisheries/Routine Irish Water patrolling ss a similar issue to the EU Battlegroups. No Mission, No Medal, No Money.

    If personnel are going to be worked long hours away from home, they accept it IF they get paid the worth while allowance. If you don't pay the allowance for the same long hours, then people will just quit. End of.

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