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    It's simples. Rescue them all and let the bureaucrats sort them out.

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    Le niamh

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    L.E. Niamh departed port of Messina @18.57. Not that anyone cares, too busy grinding their own personal axes.
    LE Niamh is currently in Valletta, Malta. She is very near her relief day of 25th September. MOD has said we are not getting involved in going HOT with the migrant smugglers. Eunavfor is everybody but us.

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    The Irish Naval service facebook page has announced that L.E. Niamh's active phase in the Mediterranean has ended. Due back to Ireland 2nd Oct 2015. Rescued just short of 4000 souls. BZ to all concerned.

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    When's Sam B heading out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    When's Sam B heading out?
    Today. (Thursday).

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    If we had a suitable aircraft it would possibly be cheaper to rotate the crew than rotate the ship

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    Don't think the cost of an aircraft comes into it Dev...... The Army does overseas rotations generally without AC assets , we could possibly fly a 60 person crew to Italy or Malta commercially for buttons. Indeed I remember winding up a Brit once that we had the largest strategic lift capability in Europe and could deploy thousands of soldiers in a day for 19.99 a head .... We don't call it the Air Force we call it Ryanair!

    I think the issue here is that the crew of a ship know their vessels from top to bottom, engines and all the little funny habits each ship has ( if you know what I mean) , it's not like taking over a Mowag or a lTAV.

    The Beckett is the third different class of ship we have sent, I am sure there is interoperability in general but think the rotation of vessels and their crews is the norm ( I am sure some sailors can correct me if wrong)

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    Unit Rotation

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Booted Man View Post
    Don't think the cost of an aircraft comes into it Dev...... The Army does overseas rotations generally without AC assets , we could possibly fly a 60 person crew to Italy or Malta commercially for buttons. Indeed I remember winding up a Brit once that we had the largest strategic lift capability in Europe and could deploy thousands of soldiers in a day for 19.99 a head .... We don't call it the Air Force we call it Ryanair!

    I think the issue here is that the crew of a ship know their vessels from top to bottom, engines and all the little funny habits each ship has ( if you know what I mean) , it's not like taking over a Mowag or a lTAV.

    The Beckett is the third different class of ship we have sent, I am sure there is interoperability in general but think the rotation of vessels and their crews is the norm ( I am sure some sailors can correct me if wrong)
    It is possible both ways. Operating a back to back crewing system requires a fully type trained crew of replacements, especially in key command and technical areas. You also need an open cheque book and access to technicians to repair and mend defective items. Likewise consumables would have to be bought without mounds of paperwork. The easier way logs wise is as they have done, except for any personnel transferring to SB facing another two months of Mediterranean holidays!!

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    WHy the "he/she" and "her/his" distinction AM. I thought all naval vessels were She?
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    Ships a she Samuel is a he ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    Ships a she Samuel is a he ?

    Ahhhhh it makes perfect sense, and Im a dope for not realising that. Thanks lads.
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    Ships a she Samuel is a he ?
    maybe Sam is a she-male
    The people of England have been led in Mesopotamia into a trap from which it will be hard to escape with dignity and honour. They have been tricked into it by a steady withholding of information. The Baghdad communiqués are belated, insincere, incomplete.....It is a disgrace to our imperial record, and may soon be too inflamed for any ordinary cure.We are to-day not far from a disaster.

    T.E. Lawrence, 2 Aug 1920.

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    Here it mentions:
    "the LÉ Samuel Beckett has 59 sailors and two medics – one from the army and one from the Air Corps."

    http://utv.ie/News/2015/09/24/LE-Sam...peration-45558

    SBAs (as we called them in yonder years) not counted as medics, or just a reporter mix-up/lack of knowledge? Or are army/AC medics trained to more advanced levels (e.g. paramedic qualified)?

    Obviously understand if this cannot be answered due to OPSEC.
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    Mod: some posts moved to new thread Funnel art: http://forum.irishmilitaryonline.com...816-Funnel-art

    I think some of them were accidently put in the wrong thread...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    Here it mentions:
    "the LÉ Samuel Beckett has 59 sailors and two medics – one from the army and one from the Air Corps."

    http://utv.ie/News/2015/09/24/LE-Sam...peration-45558

    SBAs (as we called them in yonder years) not counted as medics, or just a reporter mix-up/lack of knowledge? Or are army/AC medics trained to more advanced levels (e.g. paramedic qualified)?

    Obviously understand if this cannot be answered due to OPSEC.
    They are in addition to the SBAs do to the nature of the op

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    many, if not most medics nowadays are trained to paramedic or EMT level, some have advanced paramedic courses completed also (a few in army, one in NS and not sure about AC).

    the old 3 star medic is being phased out in favour of these or the combat medical technician (can't remeber exact DF title) qualification.
    The people of England have been led in Mesopotamia into a trap from which it will be hard to escape with dignity and honour. They have been tricked into it by a steady withholding of information. The Baghdad communiqués are belated, insincere, incomplete.....It is a disgrace to our imperial record, and may soon be too inflamed for any ordinary cure.We are to-day not far from a disaster.

    T.E. Lawrence, 2 Aug 1920.

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    The UCC Diploma in Military Medical Care gives a EMT qualification.

    Then there is the modularised Military First Responders course (that everyone needs to do a module of) which includes CFR and EFR.

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    Many thanks for the answers guys
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    In the early hours of this morning, 'somewhere in the Western Mediterranean', L.E. NIAMH and L.E. SAMUEL BECKETT met at an RV and tranferred equipment and key personnel. They then exchanged ceremonial salutes and proceeded on their respective routes.
    L.E. NIAMH is expected back at the Naval Base this Friday.


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    Quote Originally Posted by X-RayOne View Post
    maybe Sam is a she-male
    I guess HMS Coventry would be an "it" then.

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    L.E. Samuel Beckett arrived in Augusta at 0530 UTC 30-9-2015

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    sam b just left malta and is heading south at 21 knots, must be a rescue pending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    L.E. Samuel Beckett arrived in Augusta at 0530 UTC 30-9-2015
    It seems SHE relocated to Valletta, Malta yesterday. It was a wet breezey day on the harbour camera. OOps, just checked she is gone this morning at 0915hrs irish time.
    News later maybe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    It seems SHE relocated to Valletta, Malta yesterday. It was a wet breezey day on the harbour camera. OOps, just checked she is gone this morning at 0915hrs irish time.
    News later maybe?
    Just a quick stop to pick up some stores held locally and left in theatre by LE Niamh.

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