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  • #31
    Originally posted by DeV View Post
    You can't return them to Libya if they have escaped there to claim refugee status
    Then blockade the ports they are leaving from. At this stage, the Italians are seriously considering that option.

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    • #32
      Just land them in Liberland... http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...-31151279.html

      Job done.
      'History is a vast early warning system'. Norman Cousins

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      • #33
        Can anybody explain how so many emigrants are sailing from Turkey to Greece? A "NATO" country with a huge Navy is "apparently" unable to secure it's own coastal area and stop emigrants sailing to another" NATO" country.....Yet the EU is going to stop emigrants and "push" them back to the Libyan coast? Has anyone got any idea how the Libyans might react to foreign naval vessels doing this?
        I wonder what would happen if the thousands camped around Calais got together bought a fishing boat and headed for Dover?
        Last edited by Galloglass; 25 April 2015, 14:27.

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        • #34
          Remember Tony Montana , AKA Scareface , arrived in Florida with lots of undesireable as refugees compliments of Castro . Castro pulled a fast on on the U.S and cleared out his common criminals and the mental hospitals .
          Don't spit in my Bouillabaisse .

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Galloglass View Post
            I wonder what would happen if the thousands camped around Calais got together bought a fishing boat and headed for Dover?
            They don't really need to...plenty of unscrupulous lorry drivers / boat owners...or they can make the dash for a lorry themselves...

            Maybe they're more likely to buy a boat and head for Cork.

            What then?
            'History is a vast early warning system'. Norman Cousins

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            • #36
              Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
              and none of these are unilaterally ratified.
              No but if your country is a signatory or has ratified it then your bound to it (Ireland has)

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              • #37
                Originally posted by tomh903 View Post
                Then blockade the ports they are leaving from. At this stage, the Italians are seriously considering that option.
                Isn't a naval blockade considered an act of war?

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                • #38
                  You can't return them to Libya if they have escaped there to claim refugee status
                  but they are not Libyans, merely using Libya as a departure point, so in law thats exactly where they should be returned to.

                  PersonallY I wouldn't be using L.E. Eithne, while you can use the accomadation ladders to get aboard , theres only one access to the flight deck without going through the rest of the ship. If you are going to use it , the hanger becomes a storage area for blankets etc and a triage area. Its only to facilitate the transit of the people, not bring them home.You don't want to block the main egress route from below decks with casualties.
                  Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                  • #39
                    The potential interlinking of moral obligation and damaging current social fabric is reminiscent of opening Pandora's Box
                    Iraq being case in point. Return them to where they embarked and let Libya sort it out.
                    Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by DeV View Post
                      Isn't a naval blockade considered an act of war?
                      Libya doesn't have a government who'se writ runs more than about 6ft from its cabinet table. if such an entity decided that a blockade was an act of war and that a state of war existed between it and the EU, the consequences for the EU would not be particularly onerous.

                      morever Libya has two such 'governments', the one internationally recognised and dependant on the EU for its funding, and the other that no one recognises. its the one no one recognises thats getting shirty about EU forces blowing up rickety fishing boats.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
                        Iraq being case in point. Return them to where they embarked and let Libya sort it out.

                        You can't do that either!!

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by DeV View Post
                          You can't do that either!!
                          Thats European law on the issue, that illegal immigrants are returned to point of entry which in this case is Libya.
                          Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by DeV View Post
                            Isn't a naval blockade considered an act of war?
                            Do as JFK did during the Cuban crises and term it a quarantine in order to filter traffic coming out of Libya once its outside Libyas EEZ won't be a legal issue
                            Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
                              Do as JFK did during the Cuban crises and term it a quarantine in order to filter traffic coming out of Libya once its outside Libyas EEZ won't be a legal issue
                              And filter the traffic trough the minefield .
                              Don't spit in my Bouillabaisse .

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
                                Thats European law on the issue, that illegal immigrants are returned to point of entry which in this case is Libya.
                                You can't return them to a country where they escaped armed conflict (eg Libya)

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