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    Older oulfellers (welders in particular) in the yard did there damdest by acting the boll$%k, to make sure the yard did not survive because they wanted redundency.
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    Cue the water system below the watertight deck, it was Galvanized steel, whereas the Navy side recommended copper. The difference at the time was copper was 8000 punts dearer. When the WHB's ran brown tinged water, we realised the cause ,as pipework in the PO's mess had filled with internal corrosion. Over a period all that pipework was replaced at an eyewatering cost in time and inconvenience . Not sure but it was near twenty times the original cost. These things happen like when the Aircon came into maximum use, it rained in the accommodation, as all the associated pipework was unlagged. Best Foxford blankets were cut up in bandages and by the time they reached Bermuda things were back to normal. All of this is run of the mill especially when DOD are following the least cost principle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    Cue the water system below the watertight deck, it was Galvanized steel, whereas the Navy side recommended copper. The difference at the time was copper was 8000 punts dearer. When the WHB's ran brown tinged water, we realised the cause ,as pipework in the PO's mess had filled with internal corrosion. Over a period all that pipework was replaced at an eyewatering cost in time and inconvenience . Not sure but it was near twenty times the original cost. These things happen like when the Aircon came into maximum use, it rained in the accommodation, as all the associated pipework was unlagged. Best Foxford blankets were cut up in bandages and by the time they reached Bermuda things were back to normal. All of this is run of the mill especially when DOD are following the least cost principle.
    All these issues give all the more reasons for newer ships not to be delivered until they are inch perfect. Of course there was no recourse to the builders, hence the huge repair cost.

    Always bugged me given the small boat experience the NS had , how the hell the problems with the handling of the seariders came about because of the cradles being reversed. Would have been such an easy fix but wasn't rectified until early in 1987.
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    In fairness it was a bit much for the air con to work properly with hatches and port holes open , we being Irish the concept of air con was all new . Kind of like driving you car with the windows open and the air con on .
    Don't spit in my Bouillabaisse .

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    We need to be sure our allies on this rescue project know that EITHNE is no longer HOSTAC Class 1 deck. We often do things and don't tell JANES for info updating .
    If you look at the current pictures of the Eithne you will see a circle with an X through it, this is to let aircraft know you cannot land there. Contrast those pictures to an earlier one. https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/i...T9vupyZO1jOyKg

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    Yeah fine, use my photo...I don't mind....
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    Just visiting

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    Blame Google, it was freely available.

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    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-32690312

    If anyone needs reminding of how dangerous the area is that we are deploying to, read about the Turkish freighter which was attacked today by artillery and jets belonging to one of the warlords who now rule Libya.

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    Well, I hope Eithne's air search radar is operational. Would also be nice to have Link-11 on such a deployment.

    Spend the next couple of weeks practicing anti-surface & anti-aircraft gunnery, and the less warry humanitarian stuff too.
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    Sorry it's in room 101. That is the DA05 is u/s.

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    Can it be fixed is the obvious question. I know the bottom end of it was past its sell by date long ago (i.e the crt screen in the ops room). Its something that could/should be kept up to date as a matter of routine, if purely for security at home. In the Past Eithne acted as point defence during the visit of various POTUS.

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    signaal DA05

    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    Can it be fixed is the obvious question. I know the bottom end of it was past its sell by date long ago (i.e the crt screen in the ops room). Its something that could/should be kept up to date as a matter of routine, if purely for security at home. In the Past Eithne acted as point defence during the visit of various POTUS.
    Just call in Signaal-Phillips and have the system resurrected. No system or ship should be diminished in it's potential on the grounds of expediency. It should never have happened and it's embarrassing given the effort to put the ops end of Eithne together.

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    And interestingly enough Thales have some suggestions:

    http://www.thales7seas.com/html_2014/product205.html

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    whan did the DAO5 become U/S? trying to find recent photos but most seem to still have the dish in place on the mast...
    Could they embark an RBS 70 team or possibly a giraffe with a bofors in the hangar that could be rolled out? not sure how effective that would be though. this is a joke.
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    The Antenna is there for appearance. A very balanced view of where we should be attempting to go with "Patrol ships" is an article THE PATROL SHIP MYTH in THINK DEFENCE. Basically around our coast, on home duties, our installed packages of surveillance and weapons meets a standard. However if we put ships into a survivability ,surprise attack environment , then we are not Good to Go. We need early detection, tracking, and engagement of multi-targets.

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    ....the DoD will trot out the usual line that the DF has been provided with the equipment required to do it's job,etc,etc...

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    And in fairness they are, the NS aren't tasked for "hot" environments

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    Quote Originally Posted by morpheus View Post
    whan did the DAO5 become U/S? trying to find recent photos but most seem to still have the dish in place on the mast...
    Could they embark an RBS 70 team or possibly a giraffe with a bofors in the hangar that could be rolled out? not sure how effective that would be though. this is a joke.
    The Aussies have deployed RBS 70 on navy ships in the past. It is however purely cosmetic. The mount is unstabilised and the RBS70 requires the operator to keep the crosshairs on the target all the way to impact. A tricky enough proposition on Terra Firma. Practically impossible from a rolling ship.
    For a cheap anti air/missile capability try this(as posted in the other thread):
    http://www.mbda-systems.com/mediagal...1424429844.pdf

    Complete the relatively simple DA05 life extension modifications as posted above and you have a minimal capability. This is a good time for the NS to be frank on the threat environment and to achieve some increase in defensive capability under an Urgent Operational Requirement equivalent arrangement. One need only point to the 2006 missle attack on INS Hanit for reference on what happens to a naval vessel left unprotected in an asymmetrical threat environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    And in fairness they are, the NS aren't tasked for "hot" environments
    the crew of the tanker(?) that got shelled by land artillery and bombed by air attack off the coast of Libya in the last week might not agree with the DOD's definition of the Med being 'not hot'...

    the proposed anti-piracy job in the Indian Ocean that was on until a month ago would not have been 'fisheries protection with brown people', its calmed down a lot, but would not have risk free.
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    Bottom line, if the state intends to deploy vessels to environments that contain a threat greater than small arms fire, they should provide the proper defensive measures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by expat01 View Post
    Bottom line, if the state intends to deploy vessels to environments that contain a threat greater than small arms fire, they should provide the proper defensive measures.
    The rule henceforth should be that no front-line systems should be prematurely struck down without first attempting to upgrade it. The Thales package with solid state transmitter and tracking add-ons would be useful. There is a culture within PDF of binning equipment that creates Monday morning blues on the Tech/Op front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by expat01 View Post
    Bottom line, if the state intends to deploy vessels to environments that contain a threat greater than small arms fire, they should provide the proper defensive measures.
    You might have noticed that Iceland has the FP / Coastguard Vessel Tyr deployed in the Med on the Frontex OP at the moment, slightly bigger than an OPV, armed with 40mm bofors.

    Doesn't seem to matter when it comes to rescuing people, after all rescue is what the thread is about!
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    Is it as simple as Monday morning blues, or are scarce resources being entirely consumed with keeping the day to day operations going?

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    Will an UOR be delivered by Friday?

    Force protection don't go anywhere near Libyian territorial limit!

    Remember the NS has only deployed operational "hot" zones to Lebanon and Liberia in the past but only for a few days

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