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Originally posted by na grohmití View PostThe road from the Glen to the Curragh. Best covered in a vehicle of some sort. Preferably not on foot. Much nicer when in seen from the turret of an AFV."Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"
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There is a point where endlessly turfing over good work done by a recruit goes from making a point to just breaking morale. I understand all that good stuff about building up mental and moral resilience but any teacher will tell you that breaking the learning curve by punishing people for achieving and exceeding a high standard is counter productive. Up to a point, it works and has meaning but endlessly grinding people is negative. I'll bet the retention rate later on makes interesting reading. In my apprentice class of 47, by year five, we were down to 12, having done the initial 16 weeks and the later 3-star course. When we asked lads why they were leaving, it was universally about getting the apprenticeship papers and being fed up with the bullshit, the endless grind of NCOs on power trips and all the rest. It must have cost the State a fortune yet it appeared to matter not a jot and the cycle continued for a very long time.....like some of the posters here have said, this series was too short and didn't show the later stuff, which matters for career development. Incidentally, my careers guidance councillor wife watched the shows very keenly and will be showing it to her classes, primarily as an eye-opener.
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I agree that endless creasing will eventually be counter productive. In last night's episode the Sgt admitted that, and there was a marked contrast of the level of punishment being dealt out. In relation to your experience on the apprenticeships, I think that was the particular problem with how the DF ran those courses, essentially you were treated as recruits for the entire duration which is far too long for bollicking and creasing to have any meaningful affect.
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But we all know that you will always find an error dirt etc if you look hard enough. You shouldn't be easily (or even with a bit of looking) able to find any!
It is about showing them the standards expected and discipline. And being ready at a moments notice.
It is also about progression. Eg the Tp Comd inspection where they did well and got praise where it was due
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'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html
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What an embarrassment. Haven't seen the series yet, I'm referring to the publics response. People referring to human rights dignity at work. Ffs, this is what the DF gets for hiding the true face of their training and overseas operations for so long.
And yeah, Commando school was dog turd. Glad to see the DF (apparently) produced a better series.
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They probably did only get their No 2s at the end of training. I also noticed that at least 2 of them had no cap badge and it was at least 6 weeks into training. The obviously did do classroom stuff, it just didn't make the cut in the documentary, after all they did lose their weekend leave for not cleaning the section room properly.
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Originally posted by kaiser View PostRemember that's why armour has wire cutters, for when the cav are not being observant"He is an enemy officer taken in battle and entitled to fair treatment."
"No, sir. He's a sergeant, and they don't deserve no respect at all, sir. I should know. They're cunning and artful, if they're any good. I wouldn't mind if he was an officer, sir. But sergeants are clever."
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Originally posted by Bravo20 View PostI agree that endless creasing will eventually be counter productive. In last night's episode the Sgt admitted that, and there was a marked contrast of the level of punishment being dealt out. In relation to your experience on the apprenticeships, I think that was the particular problem with how the DF ran those courses, essentially you were treated as recruits for the entire duration which is far too long for bollicking and creasing to have any meaningful affect.To close with and kill the enemy in all weather conditions, night and day and over any terrain
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