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    I wander could the NS be involved?

  • #2
    More likely that Ireland will opt out to "protect neutrality" or some such waffle.
    What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by ODIN View Post
      More likely that Ireland will opt out to "protect neutrality" or some such waffle.
      Or because our Coast Guard does not have ships .
      Don't spit in my Bouillabaisse .

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      • #4
        Originally posted by ODIN View Post
        More likely that Ireland will opt out to "protect neutrality" or some such waffle.
        Possibly answering my own question but appears this may be just Schegen countries (Ireland isn't one)

        Originally posted by Laners View Post
        Or because our Coast Guard does not have ships .
        Or any security / border control function

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        • #5
          We should send the two Customs cutters , the're doing feck all here anyway.
          Don't spit in my Bouillabaisse .

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Laners View Post
            Or because our Coast Guard does not have ships .
            Most/best easily deployable asset the IRCG has are the wireless operators in the 3 coastal radio stations, good comms are needed everywhere that a good outcome is expected.

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            • #7
              The whole EU Border & Coastguard concept is a monster of epic proportions, if you have the option of staying out, I would do so. Basically, the technocrats in Brussels have seized the opportunity offered by the current migration crisis to try and establish a European-wide force over which they have exclusive control to the extent that, if their 'experts' deem necessary, they can commence operations in the territorial seas of a Member State deemed to be unable or unwilling to cope with migration issues, even without that State's approval. Sounds good on paper but where does it end? Something that undermines the basic concept of state sovereignty isn't good for the participants nor for any other coastal state.

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              • #8
                Not to mention the cost of an uber quango that would more than likely attract more allowances for eu politicians

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                • #9
                  As we can see in the latest white paper, this Fine Gael government is failing to protect the Irish shore by way of under resourcing the naval service, maybe it is time for Europe to do so in the formation of a European coast guard.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ibenji View Post
                    As we can see in the latest white paper, this Fine Gael government is failing to protect the Irish shore by way of under resourcing the naval service, maybe it is time for Europe to do so in the formation of a European coast guard.
                    This government has bought three new ships, what more do you want, and who's going to pay for them,, you?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by 25 pounder View Post
                      This government has bought three new ships
                      No they have replaced 3 ships

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by 25 pounder View Post
                        This government has bought three new ships, what more do you want, and who's going to pay for them,, you?
                        we are paying for them anyway
                        plus we blow the equivalent of almost the entire DF budget in overseas aid each year, cut that.
                        "He is an enemy officer taken in battle and entitled to fair treatment."
                        "No, sir. He's a sergeant, and they don't deserve no respect at all, sir. I should know. They're cunning and artful, if they're any good. I wouldn't mind if he was an officer, sir. But sergeants are clever."

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by 25 pounder View Post
                          This government has bought three new ships, what more do you want, and who's going to pay for them,, you?
                          As pointed out replacing 3 ships that were at their end of life isn't exactly a massive change, nor when you consider the costs of the new hulls it's not even an accounting error for some of the larger resourced departments.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ibenji View Post
                            As we can see in the latest white paper, this Fine Gael government is failing to protect the Irish shore by way of under resourcing the naval service, maybe it is time for Europe to do so in the formation of a European coast guard.
                            The proposed Coastguard won't be doing much in the way of protecting your shores or anyone else's for that matter. The intention is for non external-border states, such as Germany, Sweden etc to ensure that border issues, most notably immigration, remain in the border countries. The sole intention is the preservation of Schengen whether workable or not.
                            On another note, maybe a one-for-one replacement of the older NS vessels appears to be a case of jogging on the spot. However, when you consider the significant reductions in force structure that are being imposed on almost every navy and coastguard in Europe, Ireland is actually doing better than most. From a quantitative standpoint, strength remains unchanged. Simultaneously from a qualitative standpoint you are moving forward. I know a fair few navy and coastguard officers in European countries who would give an arm and a leg to be where you are now.
                            Also be careful what you wish for. If the principle of violating state sovereignty when 'necessary' becomes accepted, then who is to say where it will end or what will be justified under necessity. In 1982 a bunch of diplomats signed onto UNCLOS after 10 years of hammering out a text that finally established all coastal state rights as we know them today. These principles form the basis of the rule of law at sea and nobody, not even a supranational institution, should be allowed to chip away at them at will.

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                            • #15
                              However, when you consider the significant reductions in force structure that are being imposed on almost every navy and coastguard in Europe, Ireland is actually doing better than most. From a quantitative standpoint, strength remains unchanged
                              Very true indeed and it is worth mentioning capability has been hugely increased by being able to replace these vessels.
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