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    Surely a pure weapons problem platform is just a tasty high-value target?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medsailor View Post
    The concept is unstable. If you build a ship designed as a weapons platform only, then you have to accept that it is somewhat disposable. If you can't live with that, then you start up-arming it for self-defence with adequate sensors and effectors. At that stage you've built a full-blown frigate with associated costs. Look at what happened with the LCS.
    According to BMOD printed rumours (Defence News) Letters have been issued to Senior officers appointed to oversee building of F 26 tonnages ( 3 ? ) to commence April 2017. The overall concept is 8 ships with 5 lesser ships making up a 13 ship fleet , maybe at least of equal speed for combined tasks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    According to BMOD printed rumours (Defence News) Letters have been issued to Senior officers appointed to oversee building of F 26 tonnages ( 3 ? ) to commence April 2017. The overall concept is 8 ships with 5 lesser ships making up a 13 ship fleet , maybe at least of equal speed for combined tasks.
    Well they've already ordered the first set of 5" guns for them so it's likely within the next year, however I'd say they will be VERY lucky to get the first into service before the 23's start End of Lifing. As for what the spec of the 31's will be, right now it's far to early to guess what it might be as even the RN doesn't know what it wants, other than "Cheaper". The 31 is IMO a stupid decision that is another penny wise, pound foolish choice that the UK has become fond of doing.

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    Well they've already ordered the first set of 5" guns for them so it's likely within the next year, however I'd say they will be VERY lucky to get the first into service before the 23's start End of Lifing. As for what the spec of the 31's will be, right now it's far to early to guess what it might be as even the RN doesn't know what it wants, other than "Cheaper". The 31 is IMO a stupid decision that is another penny wise, pound foolish choice that the UK has become fond of doing.
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    Between Strategic Reviews and it's real purpose of placating Budgeting theorists, they have arrived at the point of NO Fleet Air Arm combat aircraft or a dependable surface combat fleet. The peace time ability to police all oceans is questionable. Authorised strengths of Forces are not being met by many thousands. Cobbling together plans for future units has led to production failing to meet reliable standards and an ongoing dilution of capability and outfits, producing ships with little future or regard by those tasked to operate them.
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    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...d=168937285403

    Navy News Facebook post of launch of new River Class
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    The new hull construction continues;

    https://www.navynews.co.uk/archive/news/item/16125

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    The Batch 1 Rivers are to be sold over the next few years. At least 20 years service left in them and probably very reasonably priced. They would make good replacements for the P40s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galloglass View Post
    The Batch 1 Rivers are to be sold over the next few years. At least 20 years service left in them and probably very reasonably priced. They would make good replacements for the P40s.
    How? I mean they are slower, nearly 2.5 times the tonnage, a metre deeper, a new logistic's chain for their weapon system... For a CPV replacement they seem ill fitting, there's also the question of just what their material state is, again the RN has a history of selling off lemons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky42 View Post
    again the RN has a history of selling off lemons.

    And we have a history of buying them....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky42 View Post
    How? I mean they are slower, nearly 2.5 times the tonnage, a metre deeper, a new logistic's chain for their weapon system... For a CPV replacement they seem ill fitting, there's also the question of just what their material state is, again the RN has a history of selling off lemons.
    the NS ended up with the P40s by chance and not as if the NS needed (or now need) CPV's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danno View Post
    the NS ended up with the P40s by chance and not as if the NS needed (or now need) CPV's.
    Sure but the WP clearly stated they would be replaced by something of similar characteristics (whether they should be is another question). If we are going to drop the CPV specs, why buy in the Rivers just because the RN is flogging them off, why not just add more P60's? I mean sure a higher upfront cost, but a common fleet, reduced logistics/training reducing lifetime costs and a longer lifespan on the ships in the first place.

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    Why were the Peacocks sold so quickly after entering RN service?

    It funny how BAe are very quick at building vessels the RN doesn't want but very slow at building ones they do

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Why were the Peacocks sold so quickly after entering RN service?

    It funny how BAe are very quick at building vessels the RN doesn't want but very slow at building ones they do
    They were built to replace Ton Class minesweepers that made up the Hong Kong squadron. In 1984 the UK and China decreed that Hong Kong would return to China. Immediate disposal of the Naval assets based there was seen as a sign of good faith by the UK to China. 5 was considered excessive in the circumstances. Three was plenty. The three we didn't get went to the Phillipines in 1997. The RN would have liked to use them at home but never got the chance. Charlie got there first. I wait for the release of government papers that may reveal the secret behind the deal.
    Well, there's good news and bad news. The bad news is that Neil will be taking over both branches, and some of you will lose your jobs. Those of you who are kept on will have to relocate to Swindon, if you wanna stay. I know, gutting. On a more positive note, the good news is, I've been promoted, so... every cloud. You're still thinking about the bad news aren't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    They were built to replace Ton Class minesweepers that made up the Hong Kong squadron. In 1984 the UK and China decreed that Hong Kong would return to China. Immediate disposal of the Naval assets based there was seen as a sign of good faith by the UK to China. 5 was considered excessive in the circumstances. Three was plenty. The three we didn't get went to the Phillipines in 1997. The RN would have liked to use them at home but never got the chance. Charlie got there first. I wait for the release of government papers that may reveal the secret behind the deal.
    And Hong Kong paid for them making it far less painful to dispose of them rather than hand them over to the Chinese
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    They were built to replace Ton Class minesweepers that made up the Hong Kong squadron. In 1984 the UK and China decreed that Hong Kong would return to China. Immediate disposal of the Naval assets based there was seen as a sign of good faith by the UK to China. 5 was considered excessive in the circumstances. Three was plenty. The three we didn't get went to the Phillipines in 1997. The RN would have liked to use them at home but never got the chance. Charlie got there first. I wait for the release of government papers that may reveal the secret behind the deal.
    Some harmless footage of the 'Tons on the Hong Kong station;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM3sgtHHnS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galloglass View Post
    The Batch 1 Rivers are to be sold over the next few years. At least 20 years service left in them and probably very reasonably priced. They would make good replacements for the P40s.
    Severn is being decommissioned this year
    Mersey & Clyde in 2019
    AFAIK no date for Tyne yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Severn is being decommissioned this year
    Mersey & Clyde in 2019
    AFAIK no date for Tyne yet
    HMS Clyde might be worth looking at . Flight Deck Merlin size capable, plus retain main Falklands armaments 30mm plus mini-guns and mounts for 12.5's and GPMG's. Commissioned 2006 good to at least 2040.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    HMS Clyde might be worth looking at . Flight Deck Merlin size capable, plus retain main Falklands armaments 30mm plus mini-guns and mounts for 12.5's and GPMG's. Commissioned 2006 good to at least 2040.
    Bad idea going back to having a sole of class with no equipment commonality with the current fleet.
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    Engines same as P31 Ruston's, The rest is on my list to add to the P50/60's as mid Defence.

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    Eithne due to go within a few years and and with her, the unique status so why now buy a ship with engines that will be twenty years old that we will no longer operate.

    And you want to refit the fleet to achieve commonality with a second hand purchase?

    If you were to buy multiple vessels it could be justified but not a singular unit.

    Wouldn't be my choice if I were looking at a wish list given they have been heavily used given the shortage of hulls in the RN
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    Given that the Clyde is the youngest of the class, it must have taken a pounding as it is going while the Tyne which is the oldest of the class is not scheduled for disposal in the next 5 years. Severn goes this year with Clyde and Mersey in 2 years. Normally you would keep the youngest, more capable vessel if you had the choice.
    Then again the Falkland islands patrol is not easy, especially with upto 300 sea days per year.
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    Would be interesting to see what the cost of the River class would be fitted with the Bofors and OTO from our retiring hulls. Clyde with the 57, and Severn/Mersey with the 76's.
    Their Thai sister ship HTMS Krabi has a 76 forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EUFighter View Post
    Would be interesting to see what the cost of the River class would be fitted with the Bofors and OTO from our retiring hulls. Clyde with the 57, and Severn/Mersey with the 76's.
    Their Thai sister ship HTMS Krabi has a 76 forward.
    If you have a 57mm or 76mm it isn't just a self contained rotating turret! There is a shell hoist to the magazine below decks. The RN 30mm just sits on (I assume reinforced) deck.

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    Really, with the Rivers, the time for buying was when the three T and T Amazonas were being flogged by BAE.
    At that time we had more cash, and the case could have been made for them, rather than wait for our own builds, the fact that the Navy didn't speaks volumes.

    So, not having bought the Amazonas, theres a snowballs chance we be buying the RN cast offs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herald View Post
    Really, with the Rivers, the time for buying was when the three T and T Amazonas were being flogged by BAE.
    At that time we had more cash, and the case could have been made for them, rather than wait for our own builds, the fact that the Navy didn't speaks volumes.

    So, not having bought the Amazonas, theres a snowballs chance we be buying the RN cast offs.
    They were considered, but the extra cost to bring them suitable for our use would have added significantly to the cost, and the contract had already been signed for P61.
    Well, there's good news and bad news. The bad news is that Neil will be taking over both branches, and some of you will lose your jobs. Those of you who are kept on will have to relocate to Swindon, if you wanna stay. I know, gutting. On a more positive note, the good news is, I've been promoted, so... every cloud. You're still thinking about the bad news aren't you?

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