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  • Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
    Australia will buy anything decent on offer...once they can build it in Australia........which is not a bad idea.....
    But not without it's issues, hasn't previous projects in Australia gone over budget/behind schedule?
    It will be interesting to see if they get the 26 into service before the UK does however.

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    • Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post
      But not without it's issues, hasn't previous projects in Australia gone over budget/behind schedule?
      It will be interesting to see if they get the 26 into service before the UK does however.
      Aussies used to have a reputation for screwing things together badly.

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      • But not without it's issues, hasn't previous projects in Australia gone over budget/behind schedule?
        Show me any major warship project that in the past 10 years that hasn't!
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        • Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
          Show me any major warship project that in the past 10 years that hasn't!
          Sure as new build projects, but the Hobarts for example are a design that was already in service and yet had construction issues rather than new development tech that pushed projects off plan.

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          • Hard to see where exactly the problem lay with the Hobarts. Some of the Prefabricated hull blocks were built by Navantia and shipped to Oz for assembly. Other bits were built elsewhere, with some builders having no experience of warship building.
            Oddly the Arleigh Burke class was considered the best solution for the requirement, but the cost factor and the risk of it all going wrong led to the selection of the Navantia design instead.
            For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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            • Hobart class destroyers

              Originally posted by na grohmit� View Post
              Hard to see where exactly the problem lay with the Hobarts. Some of the Prefabricated hull blocks were built by Navantia and shipped to Oz for assembly. Other bits were built elsewhere, with some builders having no experience of warship building.
              Oddly the Arleigh Burke class was considered the best solution for the requirement, but the cost factor and the risk of it all going wrong led to the selection of the Navantia design instead.
              The Hobart costs per ship were/ are greater than that of the USN Burkes and with half of the VLS capacity ie 48 units against 96 on the Burkes. Small runs of ship types bring inevitable scale costs. It is why some countries buy off a run of ships being built for a bigger power or else buy off disposal lists.

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              • Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson said the Offshore Patrols Vessels are "essential to protecting our waters".

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                • Tell them the peacocks are available too if they want them.
                  For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                  • Indeed. To be relevant you must stay afloat and be equipped to the required standard . Shrinking or expedient Defence budgets leads
                    to Jam today and no Bread tomorrow. The last people to run a Navy are those over extended with trying to keep their popularity and jobs.

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                    • HMS Defender is approaching cobh this morning

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                      • Originally posted by ibenji View Post
                        HMS Defender is approaching cobh this morning
                        Making a port call?

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                        • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                          Indeed. To be relevant you must stay afloat and be equipped to the required standard . Shrinking or expedient Defence budgets leads
                          to Jam today and no Bread tomorrow. The last people to run a Navy are those over extended with trying to keep their popularity and jobs.
                          And interesting that these ships are being 'forward based' on Liverpool, Cardiff and Newcastle.
                          'History is a vast early warning system'. Norman Cousins

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                          • Originally posted by spider View Post
                            And interesting that these ships are being 'forward based' on Liverpool, Cardiff and Newcastle.
                            Not so surprising seeing fishing is a major Brexit issue and that Scotland have their own fishery protection. It must be remembered that the UK will leave the 1964 London Fisheries Convention also on the 29th March 2019. This means that the there is now a need for them to control more their parts of the Irish and Celtic Seas.

                            Given that over the past few years the highest number of fishing offenders we have caught have been British we can expect the NS to have its hands full next year and for many to come.

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                            • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
                              Not so surprising seeing fishing is a major Brexit issue and that Scotland have their own fishery protection. It must be remembered that the UK will leave the 1964 London Fisheries Convention also on the 29th March 2019. This means that the there is now a need for them to control more their parts of the Irish and Celtic Seas.

                              Given that over the past few years the highest number of fishing offenders we have caught have been British we can expect the NS to have its hands full next year and for many to come.
                              Announced last year

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                              • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                                It is possible that original reciprocal rights would be reactivated, even by quota or licence. In pre-EU days the British registered craft could fish up to the 3 mile limit and other Europeans up to 6 miles. The waters were muddied when Spanish trawlers were flagged as British with a British captain Emeritus on Board with a couple of British Crew and the rest all Spaniards, often exceeding the numbers laid down, in order to be designated a British Crew. Our job when boarding was to muster crew and passports. This occasionally led to detention or sanction for not being a de facto Brit.
                                Patrol needs during EU membership was quite demanding because of third bloc countries, transshipping cargo, etc. The British home porting of Rivers and their retention in service is fakish for general bouyancy and to be seen to be manning our pumps at this critical juncture etc, etc.

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