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  • The new hull construction continues;

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    • The Batch 1 Rivers are to be sold over the next few years. At least 20 years service left in them and probably very reasonably priced. They would make good replacements for the P40s.

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      • Originally posted by Galloglass View Post
        The Batch 1 Rivers are to be sold over the next few years. At least 20 years service left in them and probably very reasonably priced. They would make good replacements for the P40s.
        How? I mean they are slower, nearly 2.5 times the tonnage, a metre deeper, a new logistic's chain for their weapon system... For a CPV replacement they seem ill fitting, there's also the question of just what their material state is, again the RN has a history of selling off lemons.

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        • Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post
          again the RN has a history of selling off lemons.

          And we have a history of buying them....
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          • Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post
            How? I mean they are slower, nearly 2.5 times the tonnage, a metre deeper, a new logistic's chain for their weapon system... For a CPV replacement they seem ill fitting, there's also the question of just what their material state is, again the RN has a history of selling off lemons.
            the NS ended up with the P40s by chance and not as if the NS needed (or now need) CPV's.

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            • Originally posted by danno View Post
              the NS ended up with the P40s by chance and not as if the NS needed (or now need) CPV's.
              Sure but the WP clearly stated they would be replaced by something of similar characteristics (whether they should be is another question). If we are going to drop the CPV specs, why buy in the Rivers just because the RN is flogging them off, why not just add more P60's? I mean sure a higher upfront cost, but a common fleet, reduced logistics/training reducing lifetime costs and a longer lifespan on the ships in the first place.

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              • Why were the Peacocks sold so quickly after entering RN service?

                It funny how BAe are very quick at building vessels the RN doesn't want but very slow at building ones they do

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                • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                  Why were the Peacocks sold so quickly after entering RN service?

                  It funny how BAe are very quick at building vessels the RN doesn't want but very slow at building ones they do
                  They were built to replace Ton Class minesweepers that made up the Hong Kong squadron. In 1984 the UK and China decreed that Hong Kong would return to China. Immediate disposal of the Naval assets based there was seen as a sign of good faith by the UK to China. 5 was considered excessive in the circumstances. Three was plenty. The three we didn't get went to the Phillipines in 1997. The RN would have liked to use them at home but never got the chance. Charlie got there first. I wait for the release of government papers that may reveal the secret behind the deal.
                  For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                  • Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
                    They were built to replace Ton Class minesweepers that made up the Hong Kong squadron. In 1984 the UK and China decreed that Hong Kong would return to China. Immediate disposal of the Naval assets based there was seen as a sign of good faith by the UK to China. 5 was considered excessive in the circumstances. Three was plenty. The three we didn't get went to the Phillipines in 1997. The RN would have liked to use them at home but never got the chance. Charlie got there first. I wait for the release of government papers that may reveal the secret behind the deal.
                    And Hong Kong paid for them making it far less painful to dispose of them rather than hand them over to the Chinese
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                    • Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
                      They were built to replace Ton Class minesweepers that made up the Hong Kong squadron. In 1984 the UK and China decreed that Hong Kong would return to China. Immediate disposal of the Naval assets based there was seen as a sign of good faith by the UK to China. 5 was considered excessive in the circumstances. Three was plenty. The three we didn't get went to the Phillipines in 1997. The RN would have liked to use them at home but never got the chance. Charlie got there first. I wait for the release of government papers that may reveal the secret behind the deal.
                      Some harmless footage of the 'Tons on the Hong Kong station;

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                      • Originally posted by Galloglass View Post
                        The Batch 1 Rivers are to be sold over the next few years. At least 20 years service left in them and probably very reasonably priced. They would make good replacements for the P40s.
                        Severn is being decommissioned this year
                        Mersey & Clyde in 2019
                        AFAIK no date for Tyne yet

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                        • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                          Severn is being decommissioned this year
                          Mersey & Clyde in 2019
                          AFAIK no date for Tyne yet
                          HMS Clyde might be worth looking at . Flight Deck Merlin size capable, plus retain main Falklands armaments 30mm plus mini-guns and mounts for 12.5's and GPMG's. Commissioned 2006 good to at least 2040.

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                          • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                            HMS Clyde might be worth looking at . Flight Deck Merlin size capable, plus retain main Falklands armaments 30mm plus mini-guns and mounts for 12.5's and GPMG's. Commissioned 2006 good to at least 2040.
                            Bad idea going back to having a sole of class with no equipment commonality with the current fleet.
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                            • Engines same as P31 Ruston's, The rest is on my list to add to the P50/60's as mid Defence.

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                              • Eithne due to go within a few years and and with her, the unique status so why now buy a ship with engines that will be twenty years old that we will no longer operate.

                                And you want to refit the fleet to achieve commonality with a second hand purchase?

                                If you were to buy multiple vessels it could be justified but not a singular unit.

                                Wouldn't be my choice if I were looking at a wish list given they have been heavily used given the shortage of hulls in the RN
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