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    Skynet - All things Drone / UAS / UAV related

    All things drone or unmanned aerial systems related.

    High over Alaska last summer, the Pentagon experimented with new, secret prototypes: Micro-drones that can be launched from the flare dispensers of moving F-16s and F/A-18 fighter jets. Canisters containing the tiny aircraft descended from the jets on parachutes before breaking open, allowing wings on each drone to swing out and catch the wind. Inch-wide propellers on the back provided propulsion as they found one another and created a swarm.
    http://www.c4isrnet.com/story/milita...lity/81803256/

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-drone-swarms/

    https://beaverworks.ll.mit.edu/CMS/b...perdixcapstone

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    https://gcn.com/articles/2016/03/31/...e-sensors.aspx

    Army fills in details on micro drone RFI
    By Mark Pomerleau
    Mar 31, 2016
    The Army has provided more details on the Soldier Borne Sensors (SBS) micro drones it hopes to issue for individual soldiers.

    One of the barriers to wide implementation into squads is cost. Unlike the much smaller British army, which has integrated similar micro drones into its ranks, the larger U.S. military buys in bulk. The thumb-size Black Hornet drones used by the British are made by hand, which would make large quantity buys expensive.

    In addition to various operational capabilities mentioned in the original request for information – such as flight ceilings of 1,000 meters, flight duration from 10 to 15 minutes as well as day and night camera capability -- noise mitigation is another important factor being considered, Col. Phil Cheatham said at a March 22 media roundtable at Fort Belvoir, Va.

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    Drone Can submerge underwater for Two Months & Launch on Command for Airborne Mission

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    A small, submersible drone developped at John Hopkins’ research institute’s Applied Physics Laboratory (APL) can stay submerged for months, and instantly surface and launch on command without leaving a trace.

    Watch this video describing APL’s Corrosion Resistant Aerial Covert Unmanned Naval System (CRACUNS).
    http://defense-update.com/20160322_t...-missions.html

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    Kamikaze drone filmed in Nagorno-Karabakh conflict

    A YouTube video indicates that an Israeli-made "kamikaze drone" has been used by Azerbaijan against Armenian forces in the conflict over the disputed territory of Nagorno-Karabakh, according to the Washington Post.

    The video appears to show a UAV with the distinctive shape of the Israel Aerospace Industries Harop, a loitering munition that is essentially UAV designed to directly strike a target like a missile. Armenian spokesmen told Russian media that the weapon hit a bus filled with Armenian volunteers, killing seven.

    In the video, the Harop is seen diving toward the ground before it disappears behind a hill, followed by a loud explosion.
    http://www.c4isrnet.com/story/milita...lict/82802232/

    https://youtu.be/YmHCQg5sveA

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    Alti transition hybrid uav.

    6hr flight time

    1kg payload

    VTOL

    Stick in a FLIR/WAMI system and your in business of replacing Cessna

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    still dont know why we dont just design our own off the shelf jobby or at least develop one indigenously, i know the navy is trying this with IMERC, hopefully the army will follow suit, theres a healthy culture of drone flying, ownership and innovation in this country already. off the shelf cameras, flirs etc
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    Just saw the civil defence UAV training programme on RTE 6 one news. Well done all.

    Shocking indictment on the DF that there is no UAV integration in place with units though

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    https://www.funker530.com/weaponized-quad-drops/

    Weaponised COTS UAS (most likely a DJi) drops a homemade grenade onto troops/police in a secure compound.

    How would you defend against this?

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    No fly zone over compound surely. Zero tolerance. EW jamming with strict shoot on sight rules.
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    No fly zone needs to be enforced. EW costs €100,000+ to combat multiple €200 UAS. Effective in some cases but what it it flys above the "bubble"

    Shotguns won't work at that range
    And you'd have to be a pretty good shot as well as on guard an alert at that instant

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    Even commercial drones can be adapted to deliver bombs on a selected target. All the key bomb droppers are looking at ( and using) drone technology which can be drop and scoot or unmanned Kamikaze attack. Such targets need to be taken out by an integrated CIWS using Gatling Gun principles.

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    Yes this is something Ive been thinking/worrying about for quite some time.

    This might sound like something straight out of a “Bond Movie” but I suspect the below “fiction” could be turned into fact with a relatively small amount of finance, technical know how and determination.

    Hmmm I wonder are there any terrorist organisations that fit the above criteria, are and Im not talking about “Spectre” either.

    Buy 100 commercially available drones with a small carrying capacity. (Think about the recent “Amazon stories about Drones delivering parcels)
    Do some tweaking and reconfiguring. Program them all to head to Wembley stadium/Croke Park/ Stade de France etc, altitude 1000Metres
    On arrival – automatic delivery of payload - 1 anti personnel grenade… each
    Time delay fuses so you get a mixture of airburst, impact detonation, and of course the old favourite 1 and 2 hour time delay for maximum confusion etc and mayhem for rescue workers.

    There is a well known middle eastern based terrorist organisation that has a large stock of munitions plenty of cash and plenty of volunteers.

    UAV no fly zones should be established in all major European cities. Enforced using a combination of EW and CIWS. (CIWS for critical infrastructure locations, nuclear powerstations, govt buildings, oil refineries, ports, airports, fuel depots etc.

    Sadly I think it will take a disaster/attack before anything is done.

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    IS and Hezbollah use drones, both for ISR and direct attack - its off-the-shelf stuff that anyone could make and adapt.

    the future's bright, the futures... oh, wait.

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    It needs to be dealt with in the same way navies are dealing with the risk of swarm attacks from small boats. Plenty of guns putting down plenty of lead at the target.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TangoSierra View Post
    https://www.funker530.com/weaponized-quad-drops/

    Weaponised COTS UAS (most likely a DJi) drops a homemade grenade onto troops/police in a secure compound.

    How would you defend against this?
    Purdey up & under
    Last edited by sofa; 7th December 2016 at 19:05.

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    Shotguns don't reach out to 1km altitude

    https://youtu.be/OiuaphPBNgg

    https://youtu.be/Yy_7OkaVPow
    Last edited by TangoSierra; 7th December 2016 at 10:26.

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    And jammers won't stop UAV'S following a Pre programmed path using a basic accelerometer and no GPS.

    I suspect soft kill defence systems will be a huge growth area - you can't safely pump tons of lead into the air to defend a location in a heavily populated area against a piece of plastic - armed or not.

    I can see very small missiles being developed or even suicide drones packed with nets. Otherwise loaded with pellets that will fly next to "bogey" UAV and detonate. The pellets would be harmless when they fall back to earth, versus say a 20mm round.
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    What about Laser's

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    Quote Originally Posted by sofa View Post
    What about Laser's
    directed energy weapons are clearly the ideal solution, but quite simply only one example is in service - lots more might be on the cusp of service, but the relatively small scale of their initial emplyment coupled with their enormous develpment costs means that they will be exorbitantly expensive in the near to medium term.

    they will probably be widespread in the C-RAM and CIWS role in the 'top end' Navies by about 2025 with some ground based roles being on a similar timescale, but i'm afraid that i doubt they will be within either the Irish budget, or within the list of politically acceptable capabilities for Ireland to have. based on the 'still not buying PGM's for mortars, artillery, ships and aircraft' thing, i think you wouldn't lose money waiting till 2050 or so...

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    What about Laser's
    Possibly there is a role for Lasers at a suitable intensity. Unmanned aircraft have one thing in common, especially with large payloads, and long range and endurance. They are slow and should be acquirable by modern systems. The small drones are under 100 knots and short ranged flying at low altitudes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    Possibly there is a role for Lasers at a suitable intensity. Unmanned aircraft have one thing in common, especially with large payloads, and long range and endurance. They are slow and should be acquirable by modern systems. The small drones are under 100 knots and short ranged flying at low altitudes.
    if modern CIWS and associated sytems can intercept supersonic missile systems and incoming rockets and Artillery shells at a tactical levels - which they can, have been doing in real world conditions for years - they can intecept UAV's regardless of the hight and speed of the UAV. the problem of UAV's is not their size (or lack thereof..) height or speed, its firstly how cheap they are and therefore how easy it is to produce a mass attack event, secondly the detection coverage required to allow interception within an urban area at perhaps 60ft while flying down a city street, and thirdly - bluntly - where all the crap goes: if you use dumb ammunition you have a lump of metal, or more likely lots of lumps of metal falling to earth somewhere along (hopefully) with the UAV, if you use smart ammunition you need to use far fewer lumps of metal that will fall to earth, but they will be bigger lumps of metal, along with the UAV...

    the current deployed LaWS as deployed by the USN aboard the USS Ponce is an ideal system, however buying enough of them to protect a single city from UAV's coming from either inside or outside that city would bankrupt the Irish DoD with the signing of a single cheque.

    time, therefore, for another plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ropebag View Post
    if modern CIWS and associated sytems can intercept supersonic missile systems and incoming rockets and Artillery shells at a tactical levels - which they can, have been doing in real world conditions for years - they can intecept UAV's regardless of the hight and speed of the UAV. the problem of UAV's is not their size (or lack thereof..) height or speed, its firstly how cheap they are and therefore how easy it is to produce a mass attack event, secondly the detection coverage required to allow interception within an urban area at perhaps 60ft while flying down a city street, and thirdly - bluntly - where all the crap goes: if you use dumb ammunition you have a lump of metal, or more likely lots of lumps of metal falling to earth somewhere along (hopefully) with the UAV, if you use smart ammunition you need to use far fewer lumps of metal that will fall to earth, but they will be bigger lumps of metal, along with the UAV...

    the current deployed LaWS as deployed by the USN aboard the USS Ponce is an ideal system, however buying enough of them to protect a single city from UAV's coming from either inside or outside that city would bankrupt the Irish DoD with the signing of a single cheque.

    time, therefore, for another plan.
    Not to be too pedantic, a net system around key areas. Arming and launching drones might not amass in numbers to cause an unbearable threat. We must augment our conventional responses using up to date systems, especially mobile Air Defence Units.

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    Lots of birds are at risk of being wadied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ropebag View Post
    the problem of UAV's is not their size (or lack thereof..) height or speed, its firstly how cheap they are and therefore how easy it is to produce a mass attack event,.
    Exactly

    DJi MAVIK is .75kg which is under the IAA drone Registration act

    https://www.iaa.ie/general-aviation/...e-registration


    It has a transmission range of 4km and top speed of 65kmph (extendable up to 12Km with cheap add ons) . It is available for under €1,200.

    You would not even need to add explosives. It in itself can be weaponised against certain targets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    Not to be too pedantic, a net system around key areas. Arming and launching drones might not amass in numbers to cause an unbearable threat...
    I could walk into my local Maplins and buy 20 programmable UAV's, each with a 4 km range a grenade-sized payload with one credit card, they'd all fit in my car and I need nothing more than a back garden to launch them.

    Easter Parade?

    Croke Park?
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