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  • #16
    Shotguns don't reach out to 1km altitude



    Last edited by TangoSierra; 7 December 2016, 11:26.

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    • #17
      And jammers won't stop UAV'S following a Pre programmed path using a basic accelerometer and no GPS.

      I suspect soft kill defence systems will be a huge growth area - you can't safely pump tons of lead into the air to defend a location in a heavily populated area against a piece of plastic - armed or not.

      I can see very small missiles being developed or even suicide drones packed with nets. Otherwise loaded with pellets that will fly next to "bogey" UAV and detonate. The pellets would be harmless when they fall back to earth, versus say a 20mm round.
      Last edited by pym; 7 December 2016, 12:31.

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      • #18
        What about Laser's

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        • #19
          Originally posted by sofa View Post
          What about Laser's
          directed energy weapons are clearly the ideal solution, but quite simply only one example is in service - lots more might be on the cusp of service, but the relatively small scale of their initial emplyment coupled with their enormous develpment costs means that they will be exorbitantly expensive in the near to medium term.

          they will probably be widespread in the C-RAM and CIWS role in the 'top end' Navies by about 2025 with some ground based roles being on a similar timescale, but i'm afraid that i doubt they will be within either the Irish budget, or within the list of politically acceptable capabilities for Ireland to have. based on the 'still not buying PGM's for mortars, artillery, ships and aircraft' thing, i think you wouldn't lose money waiting till 2050 or so...

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          • #20
            Uas?uav

            Originally posted by sofa View Post
            What about Laser's
            Possibly there is a role for Lasers at a suitable intensity. Unmanned aircraft have one thing in common, especially with large payloads, and long range and endurance. They are slow and should be acquirable by modern systems. The small drones are under 100 knots and short ranged flying at low altitudes.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
              Possibly there is a role for Lasers at a suitable intensity. Unmanned aircraft have one thing in common, especially with large payloads, and long range and endurance. They are slow and should be acquirable by modern systems. The small drones are under 100 knots and short ranged flying at low altitudes.
              if modern CIWS and associated sytems can intercept supersonic missile systems and incoming rockets and Artillery shells at a tactical levels - which they can, have been doing in real world conditions for years - they can intecept UAV's regardless of the hight and speed of the UAV. the problem of UAV's is not their size (or lack thereof..) height or speed, its firstly how cheap they are and therefore how easy it is to produce a mass attack event, secondly the detection coverage required to allow interception within an urban area at perhaps 60ft while flying down a city street, and thirdly - bluntly - where all the crap goes: if you use dumb ammunition you have a lump of metal, or more likely lots of lumps of metal falling to earth somewhere along (hopefully) with the UAV, if you use smart ammunition you need to use far fewer lumps of metal that will fall to earth, but they will be bigger lumps of metal, along with the UAV...

              the current deployed LaWS as deployed by the USN aboard the USS Ponce is an ideal system, however buying enough of them to protect a single city from UAV's coming from either inside or outside that city would bankrupt the Irish DoD with the signing of a single cheque.

              time, therefore, for another plan.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by ropebag View Post
                if modern CIWS and associated sytems can intercept supersonic missile systems and incoming rockets and Artillery shells at a tactical levels - which they can, have been doing in real world conditions for years - they can intecept UAV's regardless of the hight and speed of the UAV. the problem of UAV's is not their size (or lack thereof..) height or speed, its firstly how cheap they are and therefore how easy it is to produce a mass attack event, secondly the detection coverage required to allow interception within an urban area at perhaps 60ft while flying down a city street, and thirdly - bluntly - where all the crap goes: if you use dumb ammunition you have a lump of metal, or more likely lots of lumps of metal falling to earth somewhere along (hopefully) with the UAV, if you use smart ammunition you need to use far fewer lumps of metal that will fall to earth, but they will be bigger lumps of metal, along with the UAV...

                the current deployed LaWS as deployed by the USN aboard the USS Ponce is an ideal system, however buying enough of them to protect a single city from UAV's coming from either inside or outside that city would bankrupt the Irish DoD with the signing of a single cheque.

                time, therefore, for another plan.
                Not to be too pedantic, a net system around key areas. Arming and launching drones might not amass in numbers to cause an unbearable threat. We must augment our conventional responses using up to date systems, especially mobile Air Defence Units.

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                • #23
                  Lots of birds are at risk of being wadied.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by ropebag View Post
                    the problem of UAV's is not their size (or lack thereof..) height or speed, its firstly how cheap they are and therefore how easy it is to produce a mass attack event,.
                    Exactly

                    DJi MAVIK is .75kg which is under the IAA drone Registration act




                    It has a transmission range of 4km and top speed of 65kmph (extendable up to 12Km with cheap add ons) . It is available for under €1,200.

                    You would not even need to add explosives. It in itself can be weaponised against certain targets.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                      Not to be too pedantic, a net system around key areas. Arming and launching drones might not amass in numbers to cause an unbearable threat...
                      I could walk into my local Maplins and buy 20 programmable UAV's, each with a 4 km range a grenade-sized payload with one credit card, they'd all fit in my car and I need nothing more than a back garden to launch them.

                      Easter Parade?

                      Croke Park?
                      Last edited by ropebag; 8 December 2016, 20:03.

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                        • #27


                          15kg payload UAS flies 56hrs on half a tank of DIESEL!

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                          • #28
                            Anyone able to ID this "anti drone gun"?


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                            • #29
                              Nurf gun?

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                              • #30
                                It looks like a jammer similar to this http://www.blighter.com/products/aud...ce-system.html
                                Everyone who's ever loved you was wrong.

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