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    Pilatus PC-9M

    Inside the cockpit: Air Corps flyover Dublin for 1916 celebrations


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    6 x PC9s were over enniscorthy today for the events there in the more rebellious county.
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    tough flying conditions on the day. they did well.

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    Well done to all concerned ...pilots, aircrews and ground crews! Great to see the smoke generators in use!

    Is it the frst time AC aircraft have used smoke generators?
    ...or do I recall an AC heli using one at an air show?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver View Post
    Is it the frst time AC aircraft have used smoke generators?
    ...or do I recall an AC heli using one at an air show?
    A Gazelle had a smoke generator fitted before.

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    Gazelles had smoke strapped on the landing frame, easily done, not sure where they were located on the PC9?

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    The gazelle had smoke grenades attached to the landing gear.
    "We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkey View Post
    The gazelle had smoke grenades attached to the landing gear.
    Was it for the film Some mother Son.?

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    No t'was a display for an open day, a "forced" landing followed by a "rescue" by ARW fast roping from an AIII. Was very well done.
    "We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
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    The smoke generators on the PC9s are professional smoke tank kits done at the factory. They have spray nozzles in the right hand (custom) exhaust stack. Trialled on 264. Kit is designed to be easily removed and replaced in baggage bay.

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    Spoke to the AC officer on the ground yesterday responsible for the timing of the flyover - he told me that on 2 of the PC9s , during the second flyover, the smoke failed as nozzles got bunged up due to thickness of particles used in the first run. still it was fantastic, especially the helis - maintaining formation whilst "pointing" into a 60kph crosswind on way over o connell bridge. the pod camera fitted to the AC EC135 provided the most amazing footage too.well done to all elements of the defence forces over the last weekend. on a personal note, proud to have been involved in one of easter mondays commemorations AND glad that i didn't need to use 10 days annual leave to get ready
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    Interesting article on the US light attack program, featuring the PC-9's American cousin:
    http://warisboring.com/articles/the-...attack-planes/

    The AT-6C fuel consumption at JEFX 10 averaged around 350 pounds per hour for all phases of flight. The A-29 uses the same engine with a different prop, and has demonstrated similar economy.

    By comparison, an F-15E will use 390 pounds of fuel in six minutes at idle.
    Erk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pym View Post
    Interesting article on the US light attack program, featuring the PC-9's American cousin:
    http://warisboring.com/articles/the-...attack-planes/



    Erk.
    Interesting article, couldn't help but notice that there's an Airfield called "truth and consequences airfield" and lo and behold there's actually a town called Truth and Consequences!!!
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    the town voted to change the name to "Truth..." after seeing the popularity of a game show on TV..........one thing not pointed out about the A29's combat record is the number of shootdowns of drug running aircraft......what is also characteristic of US procurement is the willingness of competitors to go to litigation if they lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The real Jack View Post
    Interesting article, couldn't help but notice that there's an Airfield called "truth and consequences airfield" and lo and behold there's actually a town called Truth and Consequences!!!
    Thought the name sounded familiar alright - New Mexico...
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    plenty of other unusual names in the US. I was in a place in Texas called Gunbarrel City. I kid you not.

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    Flying In Ireland magazine are reporting that the Air Corps are looking to acquire the sole Mexican PC-9M as an attrition replacement.

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    We go back and forth over the need for the PC-9M's, but presumably this is to cater for an increased intake of cadets?

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    What a waste of money

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    Some posts got moved for being off topic....new thread in ''general''
    "We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
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    To be honest I found the purchase of the PC-9m's to be cringeworthy, next door they had the super Toucano, politically 4 of them would have made more sense, given that we retain internal training, along with 5 hawks 200 series, the logic of this is simple, we only need 4 trainers, in fact only 4 PC-9m's were assigned to the training skool, while the others were supposedly ''fighters'' according to Fagen's longest surviving resident drinker.., the Hawk would have given us a little credibility and given the drivers somewhere to go for what would be a massive expansion of their training......
    I don't expect many to agree, it's just idle thoughts..the PC-9m has no legs and little speed...
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    The whole point of 8 was to use a single aircraft type, allow 1 or 2 in deep maintenance and as cadet classes get bigger......

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    Thr Feb 2016 issue of An Cosantoir detailed an increased number of cadets being trained at the moment, plus an intention to give those trainees an increase in number flight hours on the PC 9. If a value for money replacement for the PC 9 lost in Galway in 2010 (RIP to the crew involved) can be found, maybe it's a useful addition in the context of providing additional capacity as the ACs primary fixed wing trainer & *limited* combat aircraft?

    Although pretty well equipped, it'd be interesting to know if there any upgrade plans to enhance the aircraft's avionics/systems for the remainder of their service?

    Turkey - I agree with you about the Hawk 200; 4/5 of them together with 4/3 of their 2 seat Hawk 100 breather (or the AMX), ordered in the mid-late 90s would have been a useful on-island point defence, surface strike, reconnaissance jack of all trades (recognising that it still wouldn't intercept a Bear or take down a Flanker). With around 12 of them, a 4 aircraft short-term deployable force could have been put together for overseas ops. Sorry for the Waltering, although maybe it's something being considered for the future? Time will tell.

    The RAF operate a highly modified version of the original Tucano built by Shorts in NI; from what I have read, it's not exactly a perfect a/c in terms of maintenance or flight ops. The PC 9 by all accounts was the trainer the RAF could not have, and had a much better rep with the RAF evaluators than the PC 9. The Super Tucano itself is now in use with a number of air forces as an advanced trainer & light attack platform.

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    The super tucano is intended to be cheap CAS for poorer nations. We're barely getting the Air Corps overseas so let's maybe not buy more expensive planes we won't even use

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