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    Quote Originally Posted by Bravo20 View Post
    Of course this all pre the government realising it needs to find 3 Bn to fund rural broadband
    Look at who the new SofS Defence is - the MOD isn't going to be losing any of its budget anytime while Maudant is a political threat to either May or any of her potential successors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bravo20 View Post
    Of course this all pre the government realising it needs to find 3 Bn to fund rural broadband
    What??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bravo20 View Post
    Of course this all pre the government realising it needs to find 3 Bn to fund rural broadband
    Mothball the Air Corps sure. Worth it so young Johnny from Schull can play Fortnite.

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    Got the threads mixed up. Thought we were talking about the next Irish Navy ship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bravo20 View Post
    Got the threads mixed up. Thought we were talking about the next Irish Navy ship.
    Maybe we are.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    Maybe we are.....
    The builders are not putting it on the market it would appear.
    Time for another break I think......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky42 View Post
    Looks like the 250m cap is being dropped with reports that "government furnished equipment" will be removed from the costings. Guessing they came to the conclusion that whatever you could get for 250m wasn't worth it.
    I wonder if it is that the Arrowhead 140 ticks the boxes yet cannot be acquired for anything near the 250m bottom line.

    The Indonesians are looking at locally building two Iver Huitfeld F-370's from the design licence holder OMT of the Type 31e Babcock consortium. The unit build cost is circa USD$360m and allegedly will include some cross decking of recent or refurnished systems from their existing Yani-class (50 year old refitted and upgraded Dutch built Leanders) such as the 76Oto as well similar systems to their recent local build of the Simga 10514's - so TACTICOS and SMART-S Mk2 should be in the mix.

    Now if the Indonesians are thinking of doing a local build Iver F370 and cross decking some existing gear, plus adding GFE gear which they already have existing sustainment contracts in place and training per the Sigma's and are still 30m quid over 250m indicates that at a UK yard an Arrowhead 140 even with cross-decking some Type 23 systems is an impossibility and that the RN/MoD penny has dropped from a great height.
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    Something from Babcock on the Arrowhead 140, though given they were meant to be going to the 120 it's interesting that they are still promoting the 140:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky42 View Post
    Something from Babcock on the Arrowhead 140, though given they were meant to be going to the 120 it's interesting that they are still promoting the 140:

    call me cynical, but it's a very pretty Plastikard model, and is firing a broadside even a thing anymore?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkey View Post
    call me cynical, but it's a very pretty Plastikard model, and is firing a broadside even a thing anymore?
    Only if you have more than one turret/cupola that can be fired to the same side to bring weight of fire on a target. Some older WW11 ships could deliver a 4 gun or 8 gun broadside. Interval of firing was curtailed to await time of flight to observe fall of shot, to allow correction for the next broadside. The other conundrum was the accuracy of the second and subsequent rounds was affected by the propellant explosions on the turret mount.
    The 140 offerings is rather similar to others with the idea of a frigate in a variety of roles, or a super OPV/Mother ship with boats, insertion craft, ROV's and room for containerised assets and extra personnel/troops. In all roles it would be at least 4 different ships as they would only be adaptable at time of build. I don't like the loiter speed of 12 knots, we have always used 14knots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky42 View Post
    Something from Babcock on the Arrowhead 140, though given they were meant to be going to the 120 it's interesting that they are still promoting the 140:

    Thanks for sharing that.

    So thats where Mark Harvey ex RNZN ended up.
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    The Save the Royal Navy Blog published a new article on July 5.

    In focus – the Arrowhead 140 Type 31e frigate candidate

    https://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/in-...ate-candidate/

    The Huitfeldts are not in the same ASW class as a Type 26 and most critically their engines and machinery are not raft-mounted to reduce sound and vibration radiated into the water. There is space to allow Arrowhead to have raft-mounted machinery but this would have to be specified by the customer at the outset of construction.

    That extra space for raft mounting will be significant if this is to be exported because ASW capability will be an essential requirement for most Navies.

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    A bust week for the contenders for the Type31, first H&W,
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-49291622

    now Ferguson,
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland...iness-49299585

    I think it is fairly certain that it the Type31 does get built it will be from the Mersey

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