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Originally posted by Sparky42 View PostSo 40 plus years ago? It does amaze me when you see the Meko's around the place and the French designs as well, just how the UK gave up such an export market?
Modular warships haven't come on stream until about 15 years ago . This is not the first outing the RN have had with a 'new frigate' concept. They bogged themselves down for a bout 5 years in a multi nation thing that came to nothing, in the mean time spent the whole budget on 6 destroyers, cue a recession, and spend 20 years worth of money on two aircraft carriers and then expect to have money for frigates, while the defence budget is being pissed away in never ending wars..
When you are down to 19 serviceable surface units, you will build from desperation, hence the requirement to build , fast and relatively cheap and not worry about export options.Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe
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RE: So a RN image of the 31e:
http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/-/media/...1.pdf?la=en-gb ...
The above drawings/spec.s mention a close in weapons system/ point defence missile system suitable for expected attack in a constabulary role,.. is this a reference to fighting off attacks from illegal EU fishing boats? (post-Brexit world?!)
Also, if 2023 is the in-service date, and thinking jobs and development risk,.. it would almost be tempting to say that once the Appledore shipyard was finished building the NS vessel the summer of 2018, that the British Government could order another one for themselves...to be used from c.2020 as a working test-bed (and/or training vessel) for the Type 31e equipment, etc., which at that point would be nearing the end of their design phase and/or starting construction?Last edited by WhingeNot; 8 September 2017, 02:01.
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When P64 is handed over, where do we consider that our MRV/EPV might be built giving that Bideford might be constrained to building ships larger than P64? The British yards will be concentrating on Type 26 and Type 31E. The Outline Specification of our needs comes first with endurance and environment of operations stated including weapon and other outfits. I think now is the time to include 30mm guns as secondary armament to extend surface reach to around 3000meters to deal with FAC's. Most hulls can be adapted once they have width and length but there are redesign costs.
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I think our options would be greater once we stop limiting ourselves to british yards. Appledore kept us waiting while they completed insignificant sections of the RN carriers.
There is a whole range of German, Dutch, French, Spanish or even Italian yards that are just as easy to get to for NS supervision as Appledore(Which is in possibly the most inaccessable part of the UK coming from Cork).
Hopefully brexit will rule that out. The P60s have been built to the absolute maximum appledore can accomodate, and they need to fit the mast outdoors, while the ship sits on the shingle. This has proven to be most unsatisfactory.
Continental yards can do the same work quicker and cheaper, as the subcontractors and suppliers don't have to factor in the cost of flights or ferries to get major equipment modules to the build location. Everything european made can be delivered to the yard by road/rail. Appledore is only barely accessable by road to suppliers based in the UK!For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Originally posted by na grohmití View PostI think our options would be greater once we stop limiting ourselves to british yards. Appledore kept us waiting while they completed insignificant sections of the RN carriers.
There is a whole range of German, Dutch, French, Spanish or even Italian yards that are just as easy to get to for NS supervision as Appledore(Which is in possibly the most inaccessable part of the UK coming from Cork).
Hopefully brexit will rule that out. The P60s have been built to the absolute maximum appledore can accomodate, and they need to fit the mast outdoors, while the ship sits on the shingle. This has proven to be most unsatisfactory.
Continental yards can do the same work quicker and cheaper, as the subcontractors and suppliers don't have to factor in the cost of flights or ferries to get major equipment modules to the build location. Everything european made can be delivered to the yard by road/rail. Appledore is only barely accessable by road to suppliers based in the UK!
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Originally posted by na grohmití View PostMust have added the superstructure outdoors.
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Originally posted by Sparky42 View PostMust have, though they were able to build up to 130m in the hall I guess, anyway it's kind of irrelevant given that even the Babcock design wins it's going to be "block assembled" with final work done in Scotland (most likely after PoW leaves the dock).
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