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Type 26 delay called ‘an absolute disgrace’ after MoD admission
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The Scotsman Wednesday 20th July 2016: Type 26 delay called ‘an absolute disgrace’ after MoD admission
http://www.scotsman.com/news/type-26...sion-1-4182385
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The P31 is beginning to sound like a bigger OPV without the full capabilities of a frigate.
Surely it would make more sense to deploy their newer fleet of OPVs as these frigate minuses and get the right amount of hulls with the right equipment!
After all they want to be a world player, which could mean them deploying a carrier and an amphibious group carrying up to Bde strength force both of which would need defending (doubt they will ever deploy a 2nd carrier).
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Originally posted by DeV View PostThe P31 is beginning to sound like a bigger OPV without the full capabilities of a frigate.
Surely it would make more sense to deploy their newer fleet of OPVs as these frigate minuses and get the right amount of hulls with the right equipment!
After all they want to be a world player, which could mean them deploying a carrier and an amphibious group carrying up to Bde strength force both of which would need defending (doubt they will ever deploy a 2nd carrier).
The feeling within MOD - at a political level - is that BAE are going to get kicked to the kerb if they don't start producing what the customer wants rather than what they want to sell to some bribe-recipient in the Gulf. Don't fall off your chair if FREMM get the job....
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Originally posted by ropebag View Postp31 is not a super-OPV, its a GP Frigate - the super-OPV crap is what BAE want to provide for £350m a shot, not what the RN have any interest in buying or operating.
The feeling within MOD - at a political level - is that BAE are going to get kicked to the kerb if they don't start producing what the customer wants rather than what they want to sell to some bribe-recipient in the Gulf. Don't fall off your chair if FREMM get the job....
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Originally posted by ropebag View PostNo, a GP Frigate being a Frigate without the super-duper, frankly exquisite ASW capability you'd find on a T26...
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Royal Navy Frigate programmes delayed indefinitely
BAE Type 26 'Cutlass' Concept July 2016 Al Shamikh+
BAE Type 31 'Avenger' Concept July 2016 River+
Janes 13th July 2016: BAE unveils General Purpose Frigate concepts
The Guardian 20th July 2016: Crucial fleet of global-combat frigates is indefinitely delayed
Up against this implementation (at whatever timescale) of a RN Type 31, a Roisin++ design begins to look much more attractive, if somewhat conservative.
Vard 7 100 OPV USCG Roisin++
For a suggestion towards a range of more capable and flexible vessels for the Naval Service click here.
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No, a GP Frigate being a Frigate without the super-duper, frankly exquisite ASW capability you'd find on a T26...
But its OK as you have an equally toothless Type 45 Destroyer to provide assistance, while being covered by unfinished carriers carrying a totally unproven and unbuilt aircraft.
Do you see a trend emerging?
the only value in these enlarged OPVs and and GP frigates is for the export market to emerging nations and Navies like |Ireland who build their resources around them.
The RN has been digging a huge grave for itself in the past 15 years...carry on.. you are doing brilliantly!!!
Get back to building credible warships before they find themselves extinct.Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe
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The USCG vessel is designed to operate freely in an inspection mode in open waters. Note the bridge structure extends to the ship's sides Port and Starboard, protecting the aftermost parts of ship from head seas. Equally the boarding craft are also recessed from head seas. While a third craft is available, over the stern. She seems to have a CIWS, covering after arcs, and of course a flight deck.
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Originally posted by ancientmariner View PostThe USCG vessel is designed to operate freely in an inspection mode in open waters. Note the bridge structure extends to the ship's sides Port and Starboard, protecting the aftermost parts of ship from head seas. Equally the boarding craft are also recessed from head seas. While a third craft is available, over the stern. She seems to have a CIWS, covering after arcs, and of course a flight deck.
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Confused and contradictory statements on RN Type 26/31
UK Defence Journal 21 July 2016: No, the Type 26 Frigate has not been cancelled
Those scraping and squeaking sounds you can hear are what politicians sound like when scurrying furiously while having no idea where they are going...
UK Defence Journal 22 July 2016: Government insist ‘no delay’ to Type 26 frigate
'It is understood the five Type 31 frigates are unaffected by... [the non-delay]... to the Type 26 frigate programme.'
Originally posted by ropebag View PostDon't fall off your chair if FREMM get the job....
UK Defence Journal 16 December 2015: Could this be Britain’s future light frigate?
'Exploring Flexibility and Design Families for Future Warships', BMT October 2013, follows up from an earlier paper 'How to Square The Circle for The Next Generation of Patrol Ship Designs' presented to RINA Conference June 2013. Interesting stuff from both the political/diplomatic and military/operational aspects.
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It is truly stunning the car crash that the 26 seems to be turning out to be, I mean with the idea to sink some of the costs into the 23 upgrade path you would have thought that they would turn out reasonable, but now they don't even have the excuse of European politics like the 45 had to explain how it's gone pear shaped.
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First Sea Lords thoughts on where the Royal Navy are headed in the next decade.
My reading of that is that he believes that T26 and T31 will both happen, but that he will not be pushed into signing for anything that does not deliver what the RN require and at the most efficient costings.
So maybe we should all calm down and see what happens?
T45 isn't toothless Murph, it is probably the leading Air Defence Destroyer in the world. Yes it has a problem with its propulsion system which is being rectified...other global warship designs have design / machinery issues which other Navies have to live with and deal with...no different here.'History is a vast early warning system'. Norman Cousins
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Originally posted by spider View Posthttps://www.gov.uk/government/speech...city-of-london
First Sea Lords thoughts on where the Royal Navy are headed in the next decade.
My reading of that is that he believes that T26 and T31 will both happen, but that he will not be pushed into signing for anything that does not deliver what the RN require and at the most efficient costings.
So maybe we should all calm down and see what happens?
T45 isn't toothless Murph, it is probably the leading Air Defence Destroyer in the world. Yes it has a problem with its propulsion system which is being rectified...other global warship designs have design / machinery issues which other Navies have to live with and deal with...no different here.
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