You could base it on the overseas peace support allowance which is tax free due to a specific exemption in the finance acts.
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Originally posted by na grohmit� View PostBut, what if there is no appointments aboard ship for your particular trade at that rank? Then are you being penalised for your career path, meaning at some point in future nobody wants to go to job x because it would mean a cut in pay? Then you'll have to create a comparable allowance for people to take up said shore appointment.
Originally posted by Auldsod View PostIt would need to be something completely different. The allowance for seafarers stipulates.
'the individual must be absent from the state for at least 161 days in a year
of assessment in the performance of duties wholly performed aboard a
sea-going ship on an international voyage. Any incidental duties not
performed on board the ship are ignored,
o the ship must be an EU registered passenger ferry or freight carrying
vessel'
It must be on an international voyage and not simply a patrol. Also needs to be a merchant vessel.
Originally posted by Auldsod View PostRespectfully I disagree with you here. If someone takes a shore appointment they don't get an allowance but they get the benefit of not having to go to sea and the pressures that involves. Any career is about choices.
The argument above could be extended to those in the Army/Air Corps. 'Why shouldn't I get a PDA equivalent? It's not my fault the army doesn't patrol the seas'.Originally posted by Bravo20 View PostYou could base it on the overseas peace support allowance which is tax free due to a specific exemption in the finance acts.
Originally posted by Bayern Fan View PostFlat rate expenses for different categories of sea farers. (see pages 4 & 5 of the pdf)
https://www.revenue.ie/en/employing-...ces/index.aspx
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Originally posted by Auldsod View PostIt would need to be something completely different. The allowance for seafarers stipulates.
'the individual must be absent from the state for at least 161 days in a year
of assessment in the performance of duties wholly performed aboard a
sea-going ship on an international voyage. Any incidental duties not
performed on board the ship are ignored,
o the ship must be an EU registered passenger ferry or freight carrying
vessel'
It must be on an international voyage and not simply a patrol. Also needs to be a merchant vessel.
But, what if there is no appointments aboard ship for your particular trade at that rank? Then are you being penalised for your career path, meaning at some point in future nobody wants to go to job x because it would mean a cut in pay? Then you'll have to create a comparable allowance for people to take up said shore appointment.
Security Duty Allowance is not paid while standing duties along side while a ship is 'at sea'.
Then you'll have to create a comparable allowance for people to take up said shore appointment.
The positive side is guys would be more enthusiastic about doing their fair share at sea if the financial rewards were there. Not sure if the extra leave for being posted to a ship is still applicable, again back in my day your annual leave doubled once posted to a ship.... problem was getting to take it and your carry over was limited to 10 days which reverted back to single time.
Someone recently told me that rations and quarters had been reintroduced for seagoing people.... get rid of it. Makes no sense when someone has been posted to a unit.Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe
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Originally posted by hptmurphy View PostIts the concept, once you have a similar example somewhere else all you need to do is modify it accordingly,
That has always been the case since the inception of PDA.. does who go to sea get it.. those who don't... don't . PDA is only paid for time outside Cork harbour to the return to the base so its not paid for time posted to the ship , only those days spent at sea....which includes days alongside other ports during the patrol time ( I may stand to be corrected on this as it may have changed , but this is as it was back in my time.)
Security Duty Allowance is not paid while standing duties along side while a ship is 'at sea'.
You'll find that most of the trades affected are receiving tech pay of some description regardless of whether they are carrying out the same job ashore or afloat.
The positive side is guys would be more enthusiastic about doing their fair share at sea if the financial rewards were there. Not sure if the extra leave for being posted to a ship is still applicable, again back in my day your annual leave doubled once posted to a ship.... problem was getting to take it and your carry over was limited to 10 days which reverted back to single time.
Someone recently told me that rations and quarters had been reintroduced for seagoing people.... get rid of it. Makes no sense when someone has been posted to a unit.
Not just enthusiastic to be seagoing but to stay motivated and to stay in the NS
Leave is even harder to take now
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Originally posted by DeV View PostAlso at least some of those leaving will be leaving to go to similar jobs in the private sector that are better paid and they then qualify for this Revenue allowance.
Not just enthusiastic to be seagoing but to stay motivated and to stay in the NS
Leave is even harder to take nowCovid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe
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Originally posted by DeV View PostAt the employers choosing and no carry over unless due to illness
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Originally posted by hptmurphy View PostEnforcement of working time direct will mean that you have to be granted leave after so many hours worked... thats the law!
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Originally posted by Auldsod View PostThe law states you only have to be granted up to 20 days. If a sailor has worked up 30 days and has only taken 20, by the letter of the law - the other ten can be removed.Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe
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Originally posted by DeV View Post"Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"
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Originally posted by Auldsod View PostThe law states you only have to be granted up to 20 days. If a sailor has worked up 30 days and has only taken 20, by the letter of the law - the other ten can be removed.
I do shift work myself.
I get my 20 x 7.8 = 168hrs statutory hours, which as is suggested, I HAVE to be allowed to take, by law
I get other add ons, based on the fact I do shift, unsociable hours, and service days (add ons per years of service)
But as was mentioned above, anything above the 168 hours is at the remit of my employer"Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"
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Originally posted by Truck Driver View PostGood find
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I think you are missing the point of the argument Ancientmariner. They are saying make the PDA tax free "like" the allowance for seafarers. It would have to be put into the finance act, but there is already a similar exemption for overseas allowance paid to the PDF when on an overseas mission. They used to be able to claim the exemption as missions were 6 plus months but when they started to introduce shorter tours (3 months) then the allowance would have technically been taxable, an amendment was made to the finance acts to make this allowance tax free. A similar situation could be made for PDA.
However, any advantage the DF gets with regard to pay will be quickly followed by a reciprocal request from the rest of the civil service.
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