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  • Originally posted by DeV View Post
    NSR Pot NCO Cse did that as a paper based exercise for the Med for OP PONTUS
    Worthwhile doing. Most deepsea navigators have their personal Courses and distances note book and sight book. Our SO's tended to give key calling points or weekend and fuelling points for the smaller vessels and usually rounded off by instructions to make " Local inquiries ". We need to visit and collect data for unfamiliar ports like Sligo, Burtonport, Dundalk , Drogheda, Wexford and all the other nooks and crannies on the coast.

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    • At last someone using their brain

      Don’t the P50s and P60s have a normal operational crew of 44 (not 50, normally 45 as reported here (I assume that is the max capacity))

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      • Originally posted by DeV View Post
        https://www.irishexaminer.com/breaki...age-933471.htm

        At last someone using their brain

        Don’t the P50s and P60s have a normal operational crew of 44 (not 50, normally 45 as reported here (I assume that is the max capacity))
        Not max capacity as there are normally cadets cabins available, but 45 is the average crew on ships apart from Eithne
        Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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        • Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
          Not max capacity as there are normally cadets cabins available, but 45 is the average crew on ships apart from Eithne
          In the overall scheme of things, it is NOT looking good for the Navy's future, with a return to the bad old days of loading duties to fewer ships, tying up ships in "moderate maintenance " and cannibalising crews, now, and maybe equipment later. It will also delay required operational expansion-all courtesy of the Departments and some in direct authority. If we cannot do it then we should seek funding from the EU Commission to maintain a credible Border Force and respond as required to HADR as it occurs.

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          • Last time I can think of when the Naval Command announced that ships were unable to put to sea was in the latter days of the Corvettes.
            This is a groundbreaking statement by FOCNS.
            The Current government like to waffle in the dail about providing 4 new ships for the naval service, but without crews they are pointless.
            For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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            • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
              Last time I can think of when the Naval Command announced that ships were unable to put to sea was in the latter days of the Corvettes.
              This is a groundbreaking statement by FOCNS.
              The Current government like to waffle in the dail about providing 4 new ships for the naval service, but without crews they are pointless.
              Not withstanding that the defence forces had to pay for those ships out of the existing df budget. The government provided zero additional CAPEX.
              Scheduled fun will commence at 1900Hrs.
              Punishment beatings will continue until moral improves.

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              • Would there be any advantage (or indeed, ability) for manning either of the Peacocks exclusively with Navy Reserve and a small permanent cadre, and running them "part-time"?

                Edited to add: Purely from a manning point of view, not to drag the thread off-topic about how it might be done
                Last edited by Flamingo; 28 June 2019, 22:32.
                'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
                'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
                Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
                He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
                http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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                • Originally posted by Flamingo View Post
                  Would there be any advantage (or indeed, ability) for manning either of the Peacocks exclusively with Navy Reserve and a small permanent cadre, and running them "part-time"?

                  Edited to add: Purely from a manning point of view, not to drag the thread off-topic about how it might be done

                  Majority of the NSR do not have the skillset or qualification to fill most positions on an NS vessel.

                  All are Executive branch (seaman) so no Commops, ERAs, EAs etc

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                  • Originally posted by A/TEL View Post
                    Majority of the NSR do not have the skillset or qualification to fill most positions on an NS vessel.

                    All are Executive branch (seaman) so no Commops, ERAs, EAs etc
                    Fair enough, thanks
                    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
                    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
                    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
                    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
                    http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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                    • The DOD must be rubbing their hands with glee. Here is the perfect opportunity to put the kaibosh on any more new ships. Sure they can't man the ones they have so there is no business case for anymore

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                      • Originally posted by Flamingo View Post
                        Fair enough, thanks
                        If they haven't the skills then it is our fault. Given that in times of yore crews were trained to man 100's of corvettes and 151 River Class Frigates during WW11. They mostly came from Banks, shops , farms, and schools. The NSR on call up are captive, for God's sake, train them in all branches and get them sailing within crews and continue with ON THE JOB Training. No first tripper on cruise boats has an idea but by the end of a week they are starting up, cleaning weed traps, docking, and following charts safely. Give the NSR a 3 month course and they could operate on their own with Departmental mentors for another few months.

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                        • Originally posted by Bravo20 View Post
                          The DOD must be rubbing their hands with glee. Here is the perfect opportunity to put the kaibosh on any more new ships. Sure they can't man the ones they have so there is no business case for anymore
                          Don't think that matters to them. They already made successful cases for 2 extra ships knowing there was no establishment to crew them, let alone strength. New equipment mean nice junkets for DoD staff. Every bit of foreign supplied equipment on the ships requires a foreign trip by DoD staff to that suppliers location for "negotiations" (or in other words a factory tour, wined and dined by supplier). Its a gravy train they would be sad to see go.
                          For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                          • It matters to them because the DF want them. Therefore it must be bad and stopped. The DF may have won the battle but the War is far from over.

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                            • Originally posted by Bravo20 View Post
                              It matters to them because the DF want them. Therefore it must be bad and stopped. The DF may have won the battle but the War is far from over.
                              DoD have a chip on their shoulder with the Military staff. The uniform and rank structure intimidates them They, the higher ups resent getting only a "Morning Jim", while the officer beside them get a "Good morning Sir" from other Mil staff. It's a constant turf war. which the cheque book holder mostly win.
                              Gardai hold the cheque book so the civie amatures work for them.
                              Last edited by sofa; 29 June 2019, 14:08.

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                              • Originally posted by sofa View Post
                                DoD have a chip on their shoulder with the Military staff. The uniform and rank structure intimidates them They, the higher ups resent getting only a "Morning Jim", while the officer beside them get a "Good morning Sir" from other Mil staff. It's a constant turf war. which the cheque book holder mostly win.
                                Gardai hold the cheque book so the civie amatures work for them.
                                The DoJ/GS structure has always been clearly set out with Gardai at the top of the chain. In stations, civil servants answer to Garda sergeants and inspectors. It reflects the priority of the task at hand. Policing first, then administration. Of course the admins still have their little empires, only opening the stationary store between morning teabreaks, when the average garda is out of the station on duty. In Garda HQ, the majority of office holders are Sergeants, though this is changing to civil servant grades at HEO level (third step on the civil service ladder) where no statute prevents the job from being done by a non sworn officer.
                                DF HQ shares a location with the DoD. Garda HQ does not share a location with the DoJ. This seems to mean the day to day policing of the state is not hindered by office politics. Perhaps the DF could learn from this? If the Gen Sec of the DoD wants to earwig on defence matters, he just needs to open his office door. If his DoJ colleague wanted to do likewise, he has to cross the city, and get past the very efficient gate policemen(and women) at Garda HQ, who leave NOBODY in without an appointment.
                                Either Kick the DoD out of Newbridge, or move DFHQ out of Newbridge. I'm sure there is an idle building in DFTC, McKee or Brugha that could house them all.
                                For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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