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  • #76
    It all depends on how they do this. If they move the reservist from being a member of the RDF to the PDF then yes, it is holding up an appointment etc. If this is a temporary thing i.e. they are brought up on full time service without the 28 day restriction then they are getting people in addition to establishment.

    I do not see what the reservist gets out of this other than increased sea time but then again if I was in my early 20s just starting out in the work place with no responsibilities this might just have been the thing I would have tried just to see what it was like.

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    • #77
      Why bother having a reserve in the first place if you can't make use of them , why do they exist then , and how do other countries make use of their reserves .
      Last edited by Laners; 18 October 2018, 16:43.
      Don't spit in my Bouillabaisse .

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Laners View Post
        Why bother having a reserve in the first place if you can't make use of them , why do they exist then , and how do other countries make use of their reserves .
        They have employment protect around their reservists, where a reservist can deploy for a given amount of time and know they have a job to come back to, they are also paid retainers for various levels of commitment during the training year...where as the DF and the government her don't really give a shit, but that might change in the Naval Service now.

        Text messages have been sent out to serving members to gauge the level of interest.

        I do not see what the reservist gets out of this other than increased sea time but then again if I was in my early 20s just starting out in the work place with no responsibilities this might just have been the thing I would have tried just to see what it was like.
        If the employment protection legislation was in place a lot of guys would probably give it a go just to get away from their norm! If someone said to me right now , would I take a six month contract...I'd jump at it but couldn't afford the pay cut.

        The DF have really shot themselves in the foot by not securing the employment protection legislation, only took 15 years to materialize.
        Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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        • #79
          If employment protection was STILL in place for reservists - it used to exist but was scrapped.

          Also there is no income equalization - the bills still need to be paid for the family home which is doable on the civvy street but laughable on the PDF payscale . I suspect this is not specialists they want here but ABs ? Not that they are not somewhat specialized anyway.
          "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

          "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Laners View Post
            Why bother having a reserve in the first place if you can't make use of them , why do they exist then , and how do other countries make use of their reserves .
            Other countries do stuff like pay the same, employment protection, paid for all training, paid mileage, paid gym membership, grat/bounty, better comms, etc etc

            They don’t restrict their reserves.... they encourage them

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            • #81
              Originally posted by trellheim View Post
              I suspect this is not specialists they want here but ABs ? Not that they are not somewhat specialized anyway.
              I’d say both but RDF can fill very few specialist positions

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Laners View Post
                Why bother having a reserve in the first place if you can't make use of them , why do they exist then , and how do other countries make use of their reserves .
                Good question ? Who owns the answer ? The Government. That we have a reserve is laid out in the Defence Act 1954 as amended etc etc

                Reserves have been quietly used on the Green side whenever the need was there , as reservists, as there is no provision to transfer over and hold the rank under R5, R6 or old A10 ( subject to correction on that ) , and during the 80s our FCA men on long fulltime had the same problem. Application for Mandays and payments of Grats would solve your income equalization on production of payslips

                Amending A18 Para 21 would also help reduce the need for transfers
                "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                • #83
                  Its ironic. The NSR were held up as an example of how the reserve could function and integrate with the pdf pre 2012. Since the VFM and SFC the df and government have proactively disassembled everything that made it work and left the nsr on its knees. Now they need nsr to serve on ships to get them to sea and are surprised when there is no one left to go. So now they try to up the anti. They still fail to realise the fundimental problem. That running a volunteer reserve is entirely different to a permanent force. Motivation is not even remotely the same. If the nsr were running as it did in 2005, there would be bodies fighting to get out on ships like before.
                  Scheduled fun will commence at 1900Hrs.
                  Punishment beatings will continue until moral improves.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by AC182 View Post
                    Its ironic. The NSR were held up as an example of how the reserve could function and integrate with the pdf pre 2012. Since the VFM and SFC the df and government have proactively disassembled everything that made it work and left the nsr on its knees. Now they need nsr to serve on ships to get them to sea and are surprised when there is no one left to go. So now they try to up the anti. They still fail to realise the fundimental problem. That running a volunteer reserve is entirely different to a permanent force. Motivation is not even remotely the same. If the nsr were running as it did in 2005, there would be bodies fighting to get out on ships like before.
                    There was a time when the NSR were actively rejecting transfer applicants from people with civvy nautical qualifications because it would upset the status quo.
                    For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by na grohmit� View Post
                      There was a time when the NSR were actively rejecting transfer applicants from people with civvy nautical qualifications because it would upset the status quo.
                      Where did that happen ?

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by na grohmit� View Post
                        There was a time when the NSR were actively rejecting transfer applicants from people with civvy nautical qualifications because it would upset the status quo.
                        Hopefully things will turn around. A recruit class due to pass out in December so some new blood coming in. There may also be changes to some recruiting parameters next year which may allow for increased numbers. We need to be optimistic or nothing will change or improve.

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                        • #87
                          Right : ( after 33 years ) Are we REALLY going to try everything but what the reserve people have been asking for , seriously ?

                          I KNOW THE PDFS IN A JOCKER

                          LET US HELP ITS NOT EXPENSIVE
                          "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                          "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by trellheim View Post
                            Right : ( after 33 years ) Are we REALLY going to try everything but what the reserve people have been asking for , seriously ?

                            I KNOW THE PDFS IN A JOCKER

                            LET US HELP ITS NOT EXPENSIVE
                            Any quick solutions that you would think would help?

                            I've been talking to recruits, it primarily seems to revolve around A: Pay and B: Better organisation and not getting screwed with ever shifting dates for training.

                            It's the recruits we need to appeal to and not the long service die hards (no offence intended).

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                            • #89
                              easiest and quickest is basic payscales. Minister ( the Taoiseach) should have hauled Pascal in and said : 33% payrise for all ranks - get it done. no linking to other services. Instead it was kicked to touch.

                              As its FG what would you expect from a pig but a grunt where the DF is concerned.
                              "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                              "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Auldsod
                                Being honest, I don't think other ranks pay is too bad. It is an entry level wage and you wouldn't get much more in the civi world for joining a company with no qualifications (you'd get less). We often hear about those on family income supplement and the likes at private rank but if you can't afford a family in your twenties, don't have one! I work hard in my civi job to get promoted so I can afford the nicer things and to have a family etc! A private 3* is on 31.5k with MSA after only three years. That's not bad pay for someone in their twenties! If you want to make a career out of the DF, get promoted to NCO rank or get out.

                                The main issue I have is with NCO pay. This is where a pay-rise is definitely needed. Maybe not as excessive as 33% but something substantial anyway.

                                Officers will always be lured away by the private sector but the DF is a vocation and even a large increase wouldn't be able to match what the civi sector can potentially offer.
                                It could at least be comparable with the payment of the entry level civil servant who works in an office mon-fri 37 hours a week. It should definitely be more than the guy working the fryer at McDonalds.
                                For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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