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    C. 1.5m from memory.

    Nothing of note has been achieved in the last 15+ years;

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...-26251048.html
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    Senator Craughwell, rattling cages again ...

    Senator accuses government of drawing 'veil of secrecy' over national security

    http://www.newstalk.com/Senator-accu...ional-security


    Independent Senator Gerard Craughwell claims a secret deal allows British planes to patrol Irish skies:


    Taoiseach Enda Kenny is meeting with various agencies this morning to assess Ireland’s preparedness for a Manchester style terror attack.

    Groups from justice, defence, health and transport are in attendance.

    But Independent Senator Gerard Craughwell has accused the Government of drawing a veil of secrecy over Ireland's national security.

    He claims a deal, allowing British RAF planes patrol Irish skies in an emergency, was made without consulting the defence forces, adding that his efforts to discuss it in Leinster House were shut down.

    "The response I got from the leader of the house is that we can't discuss this because it's a matter of national, security," he told Newstalk Breakfast. "I subsequently met a senior member of the government who told me I should back away from this.

    "It is my view that the civil servants have bypassed the military and the Gardaí on several important issues."

    In response to today's meeting, Senator Craughwell said: "This is outrageous that it's going on. These committees should be meeting all the time but we don't know if they ever meet.

    How prepared is Ireland for a terrorist attack?
    "The simple answer is we don't know," Senator Craughwell continued. "We have no oversight of the security services in this country."

    However, he said the calling of the meeting an indication of how reactive our security thinking is, rather than proactive.

    "Why is it that in this country our national security committee is not answerable or has no oversight from the Oireachtas? [...] We have these people meeting in secret and we don't even know if they're proactive."
    "He is an enemy officer taken in battle and entitled to fair treatment."
    "No, sir. He's a sergeant, and they don't deserve no respect at all, sir. I should know. They're cunning and artful, if they're any good. I wouldn't mind if he was an officer, sir. But sergeants are clever."

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    Just leaving this here:Attachment 8439

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graylion View Post
    Just leaving this here:Attachment 8439
    no worky

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    Semper et ubique Fidelis

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    If (huge if), we were ever to dream of fighters we just have to get Gripen and a few 800 metre straight stretches of road

    https://saab.com/globalassets/commer...g-brochure.pdf

    To have any kind of survivability in a shooting match we need this:
    https://youtu.be/49L9BlYQSjw

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    The road outside Kilworth camp remains ideal for this purpose.
    https://www.google.ie/maps/@52.21390...2!8i6656?hl=en
    Well, there's good news and bad news. The bad news is that Neil will be taking over both branches, and some of you will lose your jobs. Those of you who are kept on will have to relocate to Swindon, if you wanna stay. I know, gutting. On a more positive note, the good news is, I've been promoted, so... every cloud. You're still thinking about the bad news aren't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    The road outside Kilworth camp remains ideal for this purpose.
    https://www.google.ie/maps/@52.21390...2!8i6656?hl=en
    Don't tell everyone our secret fighter base location, we had them all tricked it was Shannon

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    Quote Originally Posted by EUFighter View Post
    Don't tell everyone our secret fighter base location, we had them all tricked it was Shannon
    As long as we keep Abbeyshrule secret we'll be fine.
    Well, there's good news and bad news. The bad news is that Neil will be taking over both branches, and some of you will lose your jobs. Those of you who are kept on will have to relocate to Swindon, if you wanna stay. I know, gutting. On a more positive note, the good news is, I've been promoted, so... every cloud. You're still thinking about the bad news aren't you?

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    They increased the intervals between road deployments in recent times and only shorten them when the Russians start sniffing around. There are dozens of these "road" airstrips and they change which ones they use every year.

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    Interesting development:

    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...m-2020-439130/

    You just know it'll be Gripen this time around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetjock View Post
    Interesting development:

    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...m-2020-439130/

    You just know it'll be Gripen this time around.
    To be honest that whole deal was a Feck up on both sides from start to finish, and yeah I'd say the Gripen will be a serious contender, wonder which variant they will go for though? Pick up C/D, or go in with the E?

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    The Eurofighter was a dud from the outset. The manufacturers were hoping for a Tornado replacement. As soon as nations started pulling out of EFA it was doomed. The UK, Germany and Italy were stuck with it for the sake of their own industry. France pulled out and came up with the superior (but similar) Rafale. The corruption involved in Austria's procurement of Typhoon will bake for a great book someday I'm sure.
    Well, there's good news and bad news. The bad news is that Neil will be taking over both branches, and some of you will lose your jobs. Those of you who are kept on will have to relocate to Swindon, if you wanna stay. I know, gutting. On a more positive note, the good news is, I've been promoted, so... every cloud. You're still thinking about the bad news aren't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    The Eurofighter was a dud from the outset. The manufacturers were hoping for a Tornado replacement. As soon as nations started pulling out of EFA it was doomed. The UK, Germany and Italy were stuck with it for the sake of their own industry. France pulled out and came up with the superior (but similar) Rafale. The corruption involved in Austria's procurement of Typhoon will bake for a great book someday I'm sure.
    Not sure I'd agree, what killed the Eurofighter was the end of the Cold War and the gutting of the order book as the main partners cut defence spending, which in turn hit both it's capabilities and the export potential.

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    The Rafale might be allegedly superior but it's priced at something like 60 million per airframe, even more than the Typhoon, before you buy support packages and all that so buyers have stayed away in droves. Potential naval customers like the UK have gone for the F35 so that leaves Argentina,Brazil and India as the only potential naval users and they are either broke or getting out of carriers or buying Gripens.

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    Brazil is getting out of the CATOBAR carrier game, so I thing the Sea Gripen won't fly :(

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graylion View Post
    Brazil is getting out of the CATOBAR carrier game, so I thing the Sea Gripen won't fly :(
    Really it's just down to India as a Carrier user, and frankly with their procurement process I wouldn't put any faith in them getting it developed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky42 View Post
    Really it's just down to India as a Carrier user, and frankly with their procurement process I wouldn't put any faith in them getting it developed.
    Especially since they are (supposedly) buying Rafale. As for their procurement process: I work with Indians every day and getting them to take any responsibility requires brute force

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graylion View Post
    Especially since they are (supposedly) buying Rafale. As for their procurement process: I work with Indians every day and getting them to take any responsibility requires brute force
    They will give you the answer they think you want to hear. It's not that they are dishonest, its just a cultural thing.
    Well, there's good news and bad news. The bad news is that Neil will be taking over both branches, and some of you will lose your jobs. Those of you who are kept on will have to relocate to Swindon, if you wanna stay. I know, gutting. On a more positive note, the good news is, I've been promoted, so... every cloud. You're still thinking about the bad news aren't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    They will give you the answer they think you want to hear. It's not that they are dishonest, its just a cultural thing.
    In terms of their defence procurement, you have the issue where they have sought to get International companies to take any hits for the Indian companies having issues, which for example is why you've had some companies refuse to tender for Indian contracts.

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    Further to above FlightGlobal article and various nations searches for more affordable fighter and trainer options/combo's - this month's 'Air International' magazine...

    http://www.airinternational.com/the-.../?issueID=7052

    carries three related articles regarding:
    - The final year of Portugal's (6) remaining Alpha Jet trainers,
    - Italy's more modern M-345 HET ('High Efficiency Trainer),
    - and its later relative M-346 LIFT (Lead-in fighter Trainer) Advanced Jet Trainer, then the FT (Fighter Trainer) version and the most recent improvement - FA (Fighter Attack) version
    (looks like the similarish Chinese offer is (shock) trying to follow the same development path... http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-ne...nt-jet-trainer).

    It might be educational for the AC to see what direction Portugal goes in for its Alpha Jet replacement?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhingeNot View Post

    It might be educational for the AC to see what direction Portugal goes in for its Alpha Jet replacement?
    Not really. Portugal operate the F16, they will almost certainly follow the route of replacing the Alpha Jets with PC21 or Super Tucanos. Unless they have plans to replace the F16s with a 5th generation F35, which given their finances, seems highly unlikely.

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    http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/poli...es-12-jet-deal

    Looks like the Thai's will order more KAI T50's for around €32m each.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhingeNot View Post
    It might be educational for the AC to see what direction Portugal goes in for its Alpha Jet replacement?
    Quote Originally Posted by Tempest View Post
    Not really. Portugal operate the F16, they will almost certainly follow the route of replacing the Alpha Jets with PC21 or Super Tucanos. Unless they have plans to replace the F16s with a 5th generation F35, which given their finances, seems highly unlikely.
    The most apparent/likey outcome to the Alpha Jet retirement is that no replacement will be acquired. The PC-21 was indeed a favorite in the Air Force circles for years with a lot of talk about it. However, there seems to be no budget for jet trainers and it has now become common to send pilots to other countries to do their training. Additionally, the Alpha Jet attack role was taken over by the F-16 a few years ago when Squadron 301 made the transition from one type to the other.

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