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    Quote Originally Posted by paul g View Post
    They were sold at market rates. Bolt action rifles are not that rare, as there were millions made and many survived well into the 1990s in various armouries throughout the world when they were sold off. Irish ones are prized because they were in many cases in factory condition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paul g View Post
    Maurice quinns (Secretary General) testimony to the public accounts committee
    IS there anywhere we can view this testimony is there a log of the conversation on Oireachtas.ie or any similar site? where can we get more details on what was agreed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banner View Post
    IS there anywhere we can view this testimony is there a log of the conversation on Oireachtas.ie or any similar site? where can we get more details on what was agreed?
    Oireachtas.ie has it, apologies, I've two nine month old children on my hands and too busy to search for it.

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    "With regard to the upgrade of the 80 armoured personnel carriers we have, which is original equipment provided by Mowag, there was a very long process followed within the organisation to bottom out on what was the most appropriate way of ensuring that armoured capability was available to the Defence Forces into the future. We had 80 of these vehicles starting back in 2003 I think and the outcome of all of that was that the nature of the work that was required to be done on the vehicles meant that we needed to deal, on a sole source basis, with the original equipment provider. That was the contract that we awarded shortly before Christmas to GDELS for the work to be done on our armoured personnel carriers."

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    how many out of the original 80 are still fully operational?
    "He is an enemy officer taken in battle and entitled to fair treatment."
    "No, sir. He's a sergeant, and they don't deserve no respect at all, sir. I should know. They're cunning and artful, if they're any good. I wouldn't mind if he was an officer, sir. But sergeants are clever."

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    Thanks and Paul g fair play to you - two nine month old kids is a serious handful!

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    Quote Originally Posted by morpheus View Post
    how many out of the original 80 are still fully operational?
    ya I was wondering about that too. The secretaries replies seem to suggest the answer is less than the original 80 but he wasnt pressed on the matter. IM also curious to know if explosive reactive armor will be included as part of the upgrade package and if any further vehicles will be upgraded to MRV standard. interesting and positive development nonetheless.

    "What we are doing is up-armouring them, improving the protections against explosive ordinands, changing the weapon station and improving the manoeuvrability of them."

    Also of note is

    "There is a whole range of vehicles that we are procuring in the period ahead. " (he then went to on to specifically address the issue of the mowags and again no one pressed for details on this point. Although it could easily be armoured logistics vehicles.

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    All 80 are being upgraded

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Those the replacement of the turret with RWS remove any troop seats?
    If the turret did not interfere with troop seats, why would its deletion remove seats? The Mowags that came with RWS have the same number of seats as those with the one man turret.
    Well, there's good news and bad news. The bad news is that Neil will be taking over both branches, and some of you will lose your jobs. Those of you who are kept on will have to relocate to Swindon, if you wanna stay. I know, gutting. On a more positive note, the good news is, I've been promoted, so... every cloud. You're still thinking about the bad news aren't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    That was the conversion of some Infantry cars into CRV's for the Cav. This upgrade is for the rest of the fleet.
    I can confirm Paul's Info.The report on the proposed upgrade has been up on IKON for quiet some time now.As you can imagine that info was restricted so could not be posted here.The proposed changes are really going to bring us up to currrent standards.
    Funny reading some of the more outlandish "will they,wont they" posts over the last while here though!
    Because they will definitely be replaced with.......
    Well, there's good news and bad news. The bad news is that Neil will be taking over both branches, and some of you will lose your jobs. Those of you who are kept on will have to relocate to Swindon, if you wanna stay. I know, gutting. On a more positive note, the good news is, I've been promoted, so... every cloud. You're still thinking about the bad news aren't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banner View Post
    ya I was wondering about that too. The secretaries replies seem to suggest the answer is less than the original 80 but he wasnt pressed on the matter. IM also curious to know if explosive reactive armor will be included as part of the upgrade package and if any further vehicles will be upgraded to MRV standard. interesting and positive development nonetheless.

    "What we are doing is up-armouring them, improving the protections against explosive ordinands, changing the weapon station and improving the manoeuvrability of them."

    Also of note is

    "There is a whole range of vehicles that we are procuring in the period ahead. " (he then went to on to specifically address the issue of the mowags and again no one pressed for details on this point. Although it could easily be armoured logistics vehicles.
    Very few APCs anywhere with ERA

    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    If the turret did not interfere with troop seats, why would its deletion remove seats? The Mowags that came with RWS have the same number of seats as those with the one man turret.
    Info I was given (could be incorrect) is the CRV has 1 less seat than the Infantry car

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    Because they will definitely be replaced with.......
    What ever is around in 2035.

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    Reading that oireachtas transcript was painful to say the least , shared written questions and written answers in advance would have caught 99% of it , not sure they know what the value of a committee is
    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul g View Post
    Oireachtas.ie has it, apologies, I've two nine month old children on my hands and too busy to search for it.
    I feel your pain...
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    Quote Originally Posted by terrier View Post
    Hush !
    Everybody knows Terrier......

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    Upgrading the rest of our fleet to LAV-6 standards:

    Federal government invests $404-million for LAV III upgrades at General Dynamics
    "On the plains of hesitation, bleach the bones of countless millions, who on the very dawn of victory, laid down to rest, and in resting died.

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    So if the APCs are getting RWS, will there be any practical difference between the APC and the CRV except the shape of the headgear of the blokes driving it?
    Driver, tracks, troops.... Drive and adjust!!

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    So if the APCs are getting RWS, will there be any practical difference between the APC and the CRV except the shape of the headgear of the blokes driving it?
    and this is how you say hello after all that time ?
    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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    Quote Originally Posted by California Tanker View Post
    So if the APCs are getting RWS, will there be any practical difference between the APC and the CRV except the shape of the headgear of the blokes driving it?
    The attitude

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    Yeah seriously
    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
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    Quote Originally Posted by California Tanker View Post
    So if the APCs are getting RWS, will there be any practical difference between the APC and the CRV except the shape of the headgear of the blokes driving it?
    Infantry APCs are driven my people wearing Armoured crew helmets.
    Cavalry CRVs are driven by people wearing the exact same type of helmet.

    You have been away too long.
    Well, there's good news and bad news. The bad news is that Neil will be taking over both branches, and some of you will lose your jobs. Those of you who are kept on will have to relocate to Swindon, if you wanna stay. I know, gutting. On a more positive note, the good news is, I've been promoted, so... every cloud. You're still thinking about the bad news aren't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    Infantry APCs are driven my people wearing Armoured crew helmets.
    Cavalry CRVs are driven by people wearing the exact same type of helmet but wearing red corduroy trousers.

    You have been away too long.
    Sorry, couldn't resist it :D
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    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    Infantry APCs are driven my people wearing Armoured crew helmets.
    Cavalry CRVs are driven by people wearing the exact same type of helmet.

    You have been away too long.
    I think he was talking about their glengarrys

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    €50m being spent on the APC refurbishment

    http://www.defence.ie/WebSite.nsf/Sp...B?OpenDocument

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