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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Ever think that I could be on a mobile platform as well
    You should know better then.
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    Handbags at dawn, ten paces.

    I also post mostly from a mobile platform, leading to lots of autocabbage mistakes. Still, I would agree that along with a link, from a computer a brief summary or from another platform a brief tag describing its content is helpful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by expat01 View Post
    Handbags at dawn, ten paces.

    I also post mostly from a mobile platform, leading to lots of autocabbage mistakes.Still, I would agree that along with a link, from a computer a brief summary or from another platform a brief tag describing its content is helpful.
    I call that FFS - Fat Finger Syndrome... 😆😆😆
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Ever think that I could be on a mobile platform as well
    How hard is it to copy and paste the headline of the article?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truck Driver View Post
    I call that FFS - Fat Finger Syndrome... 😆😆😆
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    Prime time tonight has a special on the conditions experienced by Defence Forces families. That said events today with the Tainiste may have bumped the scheduled report.
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    I propose to take Questions Nos. 772 and 774 together.
    As of the 31stOctober, 2017 (the latest date for which figures are available), the whole time equivalent strength of the Defence Forces was as follows:
    Service Total Personnel Female Personnel
    Army 7,417 496
    Naval Service 1,058 74
    Air Corps 744 34
    To return to, and maintain, the agreed strength levels, significant targeted recruitment has taken place in 2017.
    A total of 702 personnel have been inducted to date in 2017 and it is planned to induct further recruits before the year end. The 702 personnel inducted encompass 567 General Service Recruits across the Army and Naval Service, along with 100 Cadets, 22Air Corps Apprentices and 13 Direct Entry Officers (11 Naval Service and 2 Military Medicine).Females represent 9.8% of those inducted in 2017. The gender breakdown of 2017 recruits across the Defence Forces is currently being compiled by the military authorities, and I will revert to the Deputy with this information when it is available.
    The number of Officers, as at 31stOctober 2017, is 1,056 out of an establishment of 1,233. The number of Cadets in training has substantially increased recently with 100 Cadets having been recruited in each of the years 2016 and 2017. Approximately 70 Army Cadets will be commissioned in January 2018
    Which means there is only 8,517 in the PDF with at least 18months fully trained and in appointment experience.

    Which means it's below 90%

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    Quote Originally Posted by TangoSierra View Post

    No. In 1st year of Training/Employment (2017) = 702

    No. In 2nd year of trg/employment (2016) = 690

    No in 3rd year of trg/employment (2015) = 415

    SubTotal = 1802

    Total effective professionally competent = 9062 - 1802 = 7260

    Now subtract numbers serving overseas (633)

    At best case scenario the DF is being forced to provide a Military Service Capability based on 9,500 personnel with only 6,627 personnel on island that are professionally developed.

    The DF have to provide on island capability with only 69% of its authorised establishment.

    Now subtract leave, sick leave, maternity leave, etc etc.

    But still the Minister for State thinks there's no crisis, the DoD hires another Assistant Principle Officer and every politician in the country fights tooth and nail to keep unneeded and unwanted barracks in their constituency. Unfortunately as per usual, DF personnel will have to die before action is taken and even then it will be tokenism.
    Bumped in relation to most recent Written Answers
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    Quote Originally Posted by TangoSierra View Post
    Which means there is only 8,517 in the PDF with at least 18months fully trained and in appointment experience.

    Which means it's below 90%
    The length of their service doesnt make any difference to establishment and strength figures

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    68 new army and 2 new AC Lts (plus 8 Maltese) as of today

    Biggest commissioning in the history of the State (had to be held in the Church with the pews pushed back)

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    Looks like the AC ran a CFR Cse for 4 new ATC Officers


    Plus 1 pilot (Cadet I assume) commissioned today
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Looks like the AC ran a CFR Cse for 5 new ATC Officers


    Plus 1 pilot (Cadet I assume) commissioned today
    Whats the difference between a commissioned ATC and a non commissioned ATC, surely the ATC grade is that which matters as opposed to whether the license holder is commissioned or not?
    Time for another break I think......

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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    Whats the difference between a commissioned ATC and a non commissioned ATC, surely the ATC grade is that which matters as opposed to whether the license holder is commissioned or not?
    The ATC Watch Supervisor is an officers appointment

    http://www.per.gov.ie/wp-content/upl...-Allowance.pdf

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    Air traffic control personnel are trained to international standards and have a
    significant high level of expertise. Military Aero duties could not operate in the absence
    of qualified ATC personnel. The cost of civilian personnel engaged in such duties
    significantly exceeds that paid to Air Corps ATC staff.
    And this is why they will be gone within five years !!!!!
    Time for another break I think......

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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    And this is why they will be gone within five years !!!!!
    Well 3 were commissioned as Lts which would seem to indicate they were at JNCOs and 1 was commissioned as a Capt which would mean they were a SNCO.

    2 have at least 10 years service and 2 have at least 15 years service based on their service medals.

    If they wanted to there would be a good chance they already would have

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Well 3 were commissioned as Lts which would seem to indicate they were at JNCOs and 1 was commissioned as a Capt which would mean they were a SNCO.

    2 have at least 10 years service and 2 have at least 15 years service based on their service medals.

    If they wanted to there would be a good chance they already would have
    they've now qualified as ATC watch supervisors,, higher pay grade in civvy street and their pensionable service is reckonable... given that their contracts will now change significantly... all they need to do is meet that and move on!
    Time for another break I think......

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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    they've now qualified as ATC watch supervisors,, higher pay grade in civvy street and their pensionable service is reckonable... given that their contracts will now change significantly... all they need to do is meet that and move on!
    Exactly. I know one who graduated alone in her ATC class and promptly bought herself out (and good decision, too).

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    its a problem all over the force, tech 6 type appointments and pay doesnt even come close to solving it
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    74. To ask the Taoiseach and Minister for Defence the most up-to-date figures for the strength of the Permanent Defence Forces with regard to all three services and all ranks; the gender breakdown of same; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [14697/18]

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    76. To ask the Taoiseach and Minister for Defence the number of additional recruits the Permanent Defence Forces have taken on to date in 2018 with regard to all three services; the gender breakdown of same; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [14699/18]

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    I propose to take Questions Nos. 74 and 76 together.

    As of the 28th February, 2018 (the latest date for which figures are available), the whole time equivalent strength of the Permanent Defence Force, across all three services and ranks, broken down by gender was as follows: -

    Service Total Personnel Female Personnel
    Army 7,281 490
    Naval Service 1,046 68
    Air Corps 730 33
    Total 9,057 591
    To return to, and maintain, the agreed strength levels, significant targeted recruitment took place in 2017 and has now commenced for 2018. A total of 751 personnel were inducted in 2017; of which 73 (9.72%) were female.

    Two Direct Entry Medical Officers (1 Male, 1 Female) and a Direct Entry Naval Service Officer (Male) have been inducted in 2018. It is anticipated that in the region of 800 personnel, comprising of General Service Recruits, Apprentices, Cadets and Direct Entry Officers will be recruited to the Permanent Defence Force in 2018.

    Current competitions consist of:

    - A General Service Recruitment Competition, commenced on 26th March 2018 and closes on 22nd April 2018.

    - An Air Corps Apprentice Aircraft Technician Competition, commenced on 3rd March 2018 and closes on 25th May 2018.

    - A competition for Cadets is due to launch very shortly.

    I remain committed to maximising recruitment of capable personnel, developing serving personnel, and so achieving the best personnel and skills combination to ensure the Defence Forces retain the capacity to operate effectively across all roles required of them by government

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    75. To ask the Taoiseach and Minister for Defence the most up-to-date figures for the strength of the Reserve Defence Forces with regard to all three services and all ranks; the gender breakdown of same; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [14698/18]

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    77. To ask the Taoiseach and Minister for Defence the number of additional recruits the Reserve Defence Forces have taken on to date in 2018 with regard to all services; the gender breakdown of same; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [14700/18]

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    I propose to take Questions Nos. 75 and 77 together.

    As of 28th February 2018 (the latest date for which figures are available), the effective strength of the Reserve Defence Force (Army Reserve and Naval Service Reserve) was as follows:

    Service Total Effective Personnel Female Personnel
    Army Reserve 1,653 232
    Naval Service Reserve 124 21
    Total 1,777 253
    I am aware that there is a shortfall between these figures and those of the establishment, which provides for 4,069 personnel. The most recent recruitment campaign for the Army Reserve and Naval Service Reserve began in July 2017 and attracted 1,221 applications, of which 162 were female applicants. A total of 139 new recruits were inducted into the RDF in 2017, of which 10 were female. To date in 2018, 38 personnel have been inducted to the Reserve Defence Force, of which 4 are female. There are plans to launch the next Reserve recruitment campaign in the 2nd quarter of 2018.

    I would like to assure the Deputy that I remain committed to the ongoing development of the RDF within the framework set out in the White Paper on Defence.

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    10% retention rate of applicants to inductees ... :(
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    Quote Originally Posted by morpheus View Post
    10% retention rate of applicants to inductees ... :(
    From what Ive heard the percentage drop off/failure rate is similar to PDF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    From what Ive heard the percentage drop off/failure rate is similar to PDF.
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/irelan...es-469013.html

    . In March, 5,210 applications were made, of which 4,838 were deemed eligible. However, 62% of applicants did not bother taking the psychometric (intelligence) tests.

    That left 2,996 and after fitness/medical and interview processes were completed, 506 were inducted into the Defence Forces 425 into the Army and 81 into the Naval Service.

    By last September, the numbers applying for the years second recruitment drive were down significantly.

    Just 2,954 applied, of which 2,451 were deemed eligible. In total, 1,373 of them didnt bother to take the psychometric tests and were therefore knocked out of the induction process.

    Some of those who failed the fitness test the first time were given a second opportunity to pass it and in the end, following the medical and interview process, 286 were deemed eligible for call-up.

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    Drop in recruitment

    Recruitment is currently controlled at the wrong end with a resultant crop failure causing a loss of expected yield. We should return to drop-in recruitment at local centres and have a period of open enlistment for all services. Publish recruitment data by date and time with the presence of specialist units recruiters ( Navy and Aer Corps ) specified. It may have to be a Saturday or post 6pm on other days to catch those currently at work.
    Procrastination is rife throughout the Civil Service " always plan into the future with promise of a very busy tomorrow, next week, next year, and then the real benefit is that NOTHING will ever be done today". That style of thinking is everywhere and leads to barren waffle and stunted outcomes, and even unspent allocations.

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    Saw a report yesterday that they are considering bringing back the pilot retention scheme (and possibly a similar scheme for others (my guess is Engr and Ord offrs as it keeps getting highlighted by RACO)

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