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  • DoD property has been mentioned by the minister. Details have been scarce so far though.


    If the Minister for housing does intend on having housing built on DF property, why not just rebuild the maried quarters and solve 2 problems at once?
    For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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    • Originally posted by na grohmit� View Post
      DoD property has been mentioned by the minister. Details have been scarce so far though.


      If the Minister for housing does intend on having housing built on DF property, why not just rebuild the maried quarters and solve 2 problems at once?
      Because the people needing the married quarters are not the ones making a fuss in the media...
      'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
      'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
      Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
      He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
      http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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      • Defence minister Paul Kehoe halts social housing plan for Cathal Brugha barracks

        Paul Kehoe, the defence minister, is to hold back Cathal Brugha barracks in Dublin from a list of potential development sites for social and affordable housing.Eoghan Murphy, the housing minister, included the 42-acre military depot in Rathmines on a list of 41 regeneration sites in Dublin and Cork


        Stephen O’Brien
        September 16 2018, 12:01am, The Sunday Times

        Kehoe will withhold Cathal Brugha barracks because of its strategic importance
        Kehoe will withhold Cathal Brugha barracks because of its strategic importance
        PHOTOCALL IRELAND
        Paul Kehoe, the defence minister, is to hold back Cathal Brugha barracks in Dublin from a list of potential development sites for social and affordable housing.

        Eoghan Murphy, the housing minister, included the 42-acre military depot in Rathmines on a list of 41 regeneration sites in Dublin and Cork which he brought to the cabinet last week. He asked ministerial colleagues to compile a list of sites owned or controlled by their departments which could be used by the new commercial state company, the Land Development Agency (LDA).

        Kehoe will offer Columb barracks in Mullingar, Co Westmeath, which closed in 2012, and the eight-acre St Bricin’s military hospital site off Dublin’s Infirmary Road. He will seek to withhold Cathal Brugha barracks, the headquarters of the…

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        • Reasons cited in the article for Cathal Brugha barracks being "strategic" include:

          EOD used to respond to criminal gangs in Dublin
          Armoured vehicles from 2nd cavalry squadron would be deployed in the event of terrorist attack
          Within minutes of diplomatic belt in balls bridge, rte and govt buildings.

          All of which could still be facilitated by McKee (Gardai have primary responsibility to respond to all the above)

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          • Originally posted by TangoSierra View Post
            https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-37319564.html


            The government again waiting until it's too late.

            instead of selling the land for private development in order to fund the defence forces, it is now forced into the only choice (and most costly to the taxpayer) it has due to the crisis they created.




            Instead of getting €90 million for Cathal Brigham from private investment and 1000 apartments built , the government will now have to spend multiples of this figure and get less built in more time.
            Selling to private invertment companies will not solve either the problem with DF accommodation or make any head-way with the housing issues in the country. That will only turn over prime land to a developer who will squeeze every cent of profit they can with sky-high prices. What is needed is lower priced dewellings that people can afford to pay for.

            Yes the problem is and around Dublin is difficult so it is far to ask if the state needs all its facilities still in the city, does it need St Bricins Hospital? Does it need either KcKee or Cathal Brugha Bks? Does it need Garda HQ in the centre of Dublin? We know a lot of these facilities date back when they were used by an occupation force so what role do they play today? There is a need to be able to react across the entire city to a terror attack but are these facilities the best for that? And if they are closed where will they be re-located?

            And while the government looks for land especially in Dublin city then it must look at the amount of land given over to golf courses, should they too not be developed? (soory for all the golfers)

            I have no problem with units being moved outside major cities but this should not be seen as a short tern solution to a long tern plan. In many cases it would be good to move not just because of accommodation costs but also most of these facilities lack adjacent training areas. This goes for other cities not just Dublin. But this will take a lot of time and money and should be aligned with the tasking of the DF.

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            • It is qite grating when you see large expanses of golf courses in the middle of dense housing areas. They are intended to act as "green belts" however only those who can afford to can enjoy their benefit.
              I'm thinking in particular of Luttrelstown Castle, Castleknock Golf Club and of course the supposed Garda golf club at Westmanstown. Its like an extension of the Phoenix park, just only for the wealthy. Clontarf Golf club is another one. Each green would accomodate at least 50 semi detached homes within a short commute of the city centre.
              For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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              • Originally posted by na grohmit� View Post
                If the Minister for housing does intend on having housing built on DF property, why not just rebuild the maried quarters and solve 2 problems at once?
                Because that only effects a small portion of the population and what happens those families when the soldier leaves the DF?

                Originally posted by Flamingo View Post
                Because the people needing the married quarters are not the ones making a fuss in the media...
                Because many are overholders

                Originally posted by TangoSierra View Post
                the eight-acre St Bricin’s military hospital site off Dublin’s Infirmary Road.
                Is that the 8 acres transferred to DCC in 2006?

                Originally posted by TangoSierra View Post
                Reasons cited in the article for Cathal Brugha barracks being "strategic" include:

                EOD used to respond to criminal gangs in Dublin
                Armoured vehicles from 2nd cavalry squadron would be deployed in the event of terrorist attack
                Within minutes of diplomatic belt in balls bridge, rte and govt buildings.

                All of which could still be facilitated by McKee (Gardai have primary responsibility to respond to all the above)
                Easier and cheaper to move McKee units

                Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
                Selling to private invertment companies will not solve either the problem with DF accommodation or make any head-way with the housing issues in the country. That will only turn over prime land to a developer who will squeeze every cent of profit they can with sky-high prices. What is needed is lower priced dewellings that people can afford to pay for..
                To me it isn’t 100% clear what the plan is with LDA
                Last edited by DeV; 16 September 2018, 15:01.

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                • lets be honest, officers driving in from the country to go to coppers at the weekend would have no where else to park.

                  if they got the brigade of guards out of chelsea theyll get them ou t of cbb.

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                  • Originally posted by DeV View Post


                    Easier and cheaper to move McKee units
                    Source? Care to back that statement up with figures?

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                    • There are fewer people

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                      • But, the horses.....
                        For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                        • Originally posted by na grohmit� View Post
                          But, the horses.....
                          Plus some wires and bits of cables

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                          • Originally posted by Bravo20 View Post
                            There are fewer people
                            And units

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                            • DFHQ needs to be decentralised so it is in at least 1 county

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                              • Originally posted by na grohmit� View Post
                                But, the horses.....
                                The home of the Irish horse being ??? ???????

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