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  • McKee Bks - Dublin

    5 9.80%
  • Cathal Brugha Bks - Dublin

    7 13.73%
  • St Bricins Hospital - Dublin

    29 56.86%
  • Casement Aerodrome - Dublin

    4 7.84%
  • Aiken Bks - Dundalk, Louth

    0 0%
  • Gormanston Aerodrome - Meath

    7 13.73%
  • Custume Bks - Athlone, Westmeath

    3 5.88%
  • Dún Uí Mhaoilíosa - Galway

    3 5.88%
  • Finner Camp - Donegal

    1 1.96%
  • Ballymullen Bks - Tralee

    23 45.10%
  • Stephens Bks - Kilkenny

    16 31.37%
  • Curragh Camp - Kildare

    0 0%
  • Collins Bks - Cork

    4 7.84%
  • Haulbowline - Cork

    3 5.88%
  • Sarsfield Bks - Limerick

    3 5.88%
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    Thought this was the most suitable thread to post this in. Report from 1999. Interesting the PWC DF Review recommended strength and organisation as mentioned in this report as against where the DF currently stands...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truck Driver View Post
    Thought this was the most suitable thread to post this in. Report from 1999. Interesting the PWC DF Review recommended strength and organisation as mentioned in this report as against where the DF currently stands...

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    8500 was 1 Bde and I think a "task force" for Dublin (not sure what that consisted of)

    Did the ECF consider a proper Defence organisation or was it just cuts?

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    http://m.independent.ie/business/per...-35449503.html

    State to offer public land to developers to ease housing crisis.

    If the issue of listed structures could be worked over, there could be potential scope to include Bricins, Civil Defence yard (Collins Bks) and Cathal Brugha Bks for sale. I see in the news that Harold's Cross Greyhound stadium is closing and being sold also.

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    Try building some greater density in the city footprint that exists. Dublin is both extremely low density and spreading like a cancer.

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    State to offer public land to developers to ease housing crisis.

    If the issue of listed structures could be worked over, there could be potential scope to include Bricins, Civil Defence yard (Collins Bks) and Cathal Brugha Bks for sale. I see in the news that Harold's Cross Greyhound stadium is closing and being sold also.
    McNamara got half of bricins and did fk all with it before going bust , Clancy lay idle for many years and is only now going mad strength - remember Defence portfolio has been utterly ravaged , the one new barracks - Cavan - was sold on
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    Quote Originally Posted by expat01 View Post
    Try building some greater density in the city footprint that exists. Dublin is both extremely low density and spreading like a cancer.
    I wouldn't call it a cancer a conglomeration is the correct word.

    In some ways the further it spreads the better as it means more jobs over a wider area (but still most of those will be in the city centre.

    If we could sort out the public transport we'd be laughing!

    It is too costly and too slow

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    I wouldn't call it a cancer a conglomeration is the correct word.

    In some ways the further it spreads the better as it means more jobs over a wider area (but still most of those will be in the city centre.

    If we could sort out the public transport we'd be laughing!

    It is too costly and too slow
    Mind where you go. Johannesburg city ( not metro) covers about three times the area
    Of Dublin city ( not metro) at less than twice the population. But nearly twice the density of population. ( amazing How much space roads start to take up to move that many people). How much space will Dublin city take up... Never mind the metro... If it reaches the same population level at the current density? Non-Dublin will be a park west of the Shannon!
    Last edited by expat01; 15th February 2017 at 10:34.

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    Army Barracks
    41. Deputy Eamon Ryan asked the Taoiseach and Minister for Defence the barracks in use in Dublin; the deployment of forces between those barracks; and if there are plans for an amalgamation or co-ordination of the resources in this regard. [3450/18]

    Minister of State at the Department of Defence (Deputy Paul Kehoe): There are four permanently occupied military installations in Dublin. These are located at Cathal Brugha Barracks (Rathmines), McKee Barracks (Blackhorse Avenue), St. Bricin's Hospital (Infirmary Road) and Casement Aerodrome (Baldonnel).

    For operational and security reasons, details of troop numbers at each location cannot be disclosed. It should be noted however that the number of personnel stationed at a particular location will frequently vary as it is a normal operational feature for there to be a constant through-flow of personnel into and out of military installations on an ongoing basis.

    The Defence property portfolio is kept under review to ensure the most effective use of resources having regard to the roles assigned by Government to the Defence Forces. However, there are currently no plans to close or amalgamate any permanently occupied military installations.

    Questions Nos. 42 and 43 answered with Question No. 10.

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    Eamonn Ryan has an angle on something given his questions lately, too bad he's getting inaccurate figures from the MfS answers

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    95. To ask the Taoiseach and Minister for Defence the number of soldiers billeted by the Army; the locations of same; and his views on same. [7793/18]

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    The number of bed places currently available for use by military personnel at each of the permanently occupied military locations is shown in the table. This accommodation is generally referred to as Single Living In accommodation and the overall provision of such accommodation is based on military operational requirements. The number of personnel actually billeted at any one time varies according to such operational requirements.

    Location Total Number Of Beds Available For Use
    1st Brigade
    Collins Bks, Cork 227
    Dún UiMhaoilíosa Bks, Galway 184
    Sarsfield Bks, Limerick 133
    Stephens Bks, Kilkenny 133
    2nd Brigade
    Aiken Bks, Dundalk 180
    Cathal Brugha Bks, Dublin 356
    Custume Bks, Athlone 234
    Finner Camp, Donegal 190
    Gormanston Camp, Meath 134
    McKee Bks, Dublin 249
    St Bricin’s Hospital, Dublin 12
    Casement Aerodrome, Baldonnel 201
    DFTC, Curragh Camp 970
    Naval Base, Haulbowline, Cork 222
    Total 3,425

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    Quote Originally Posted by TangoSierra View Post

    Minister of State at the Department of Defence (Deputy Paul Kehoe)

    For operational and security reasons, details of troop numbers at each location cannot be disclosed.

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    This lack of clear answers due to "operational and security reasons" is BS.

    The same Minister gave detailed troop numbers in Custume Barracks on several occasions.

    https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2017-05-17a.58&s="Custume+barracks"+section%3Awrans#g59.q

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    The current strength of Defence Force personnel at Custume barracks, Athlone on 15 May, 2017, the latest date for which figures are available, was 886 personnel across all ranks.

    The re-organisation in 2013 did not significantly alter the actual number of PDF personnel serving in Custume Barracks, Athlone. In accordance with the revised organisational structures, as of 30 November 2012 the establishment for Units based in Custume Barracks is 995 personnel

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    It’s very complexity in fairness

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    114. To ask the Taoiseach and Minister for Defence the units stationed in Cathal Brugha barracks, in tabular form. [8619/18]

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    Cathal Brugha Barracks is the headquarters of 2 Brigade and the following is a list of units that are based there.

    2 Brigade Headquarters

    7th Infantry Battalion

    2nd Cavalry Squadron

    2 Brigade Transport Company

    2 Brigade Ordnance Company

    2 Brigade Training Centre

    2 Brigade Military Police Company

    2 Brigade Communications Information Services (CIS) Company

    2 Brigade Engineer Group

    In addition, the Defence Forces School of Music, the Military Archives and the Dublin Unit of the Naval Service Reserve are based at Cathal Brugha Barracks.

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    115. To ask the Taoiseach and Minister for Defence the ownership structure of the land attached to Cathal Brugha barracks and McKee barracks; if there are leasing arrangements in regard to either facility; if so, the existing parties; and the key conditions attached to such leases. [8620/18]

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    Title of both Cathal Brugha Barracks and McKee Barracks is vested in the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform under various longstanding Leasehold, Freehold and Fee Farm Grant agreements and both are administered by the Minister for Defence. There are no leasing arrangements in place in relation to either facility.

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    bet someone wants the playing fields ( note I have zero knowledge of anything here )
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    117. To ask the Taoiseach and Minister for Defence the size of the Baldonnel site in west County Dublin; and if it is possible for the Defence Forces to be relocated there from Cathal Brugha barracks. [8622/18]

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    The current size of Casement Aerodrome is 227.21 hectares.

    The Defence property portfolio is kept under review to ensure the most effective use of resources having regard to the roles assigned by Government to the Defence Forces. There are currently no plans to close or amalgamate any permanently occupied military installations including Cathal Brugha Barracks.

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    Knowing the GP, first they'll move the army out of the city, then force the don to close because of noise pollution...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TangoSierra View Post
    https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/...3Awrans#g206.r

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    114. To ask the Taoiseach and Minister for Defence the units stationed in Cathal Brugha barracks, in tabular form. [8619/18]

    Photo of Paul KehoePaul Kehoe (Wexford, Fine Gael)
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    Cathal Brugha Barracks is the headquarters of 2 Brigade and the following is a list of units that are based there.

    2 Brigade Headquarters

    7th Infantry Battalion

    2nd Cavalry Squadron

    2 Brigade Transport Company

    2 Brigade Ordnance Company

    2 Brigade Training Centre

    2 Brigade Military Police Company

    2 Brigade Communications Information Services (CIS) Company

    2 Brigade Engineer Group

    In addition, the Defence Forces School of Music, the Military Archives and the Dublin Unit of the Naval Service Reserve are based at Cathal Brugha Barracks.

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    115. To ask the Taoiseach and Minister for Defence the ownership structure of the land attached to Cathal Brugha barracks and McKee barracks; if there are leasing arrangements in regard to either facility; if so, the existing parties; and the key conditions attached to such leases. [8620/18]

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    Title of both Cathal Brugha Barracks and McKee Barracks is vested in the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform under various longstanding Leasehold, Freehold and Fee Farm Grant agreements and both are administered by the Minister for Defence. There are no leasing arrangements in place in relation to either facility.
    I can see a mistake in that list
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    Ryan has worked out that cbb is sitting on one of the last undeveloped sites in Dublin. If the can get the guards out of Chelsea they can get the df out of cbb

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul g View Post
    Ryan has worked out that cbb is sitting on one of the last undeveloped sites in Dublin. If the can get the guards out of Chelsea they can get the df out of cbb
    Someone tell him about McKee

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truck Driver View Post
    I can see a mistake in that list
    Which is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TangoSierra View Post
    Which is?
    Tpt aren’t HQ’ed in Cbb

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Someone tell him about McKee
    which is on the northside FFS

    CBB on the other hand is down the road from googleland

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    Quote Originally Posted by TangoSierra View Post
    Which is?
    Engrs are in Athlone - or WERE anyway
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Tpt aren’t HQ’ed in Cbb
    Oh yes they are...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Tpt aren’t HQ’ed in Cbb
    Yes they are!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truck Driver View Post
    Engrs are in Athlone - or WERE anyway
    The Engr Field Coy is Athlone. That is only a sub-unit

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