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  • Originally posted by apod View Post
    No of course not.If you operate in the Arctic the emphasis is on not sweating(sweat freezes when static) so you strip down to just a wicking baselayer with a smock when mobile and layer up when static.
    .
    What I mean is the layering (while static) of up to:
    L/sleeved breathable base layer
    UBACS (possibly)
    Norge
    Snugpak
    Smock
    W/P Jacket (if required)

    Sufficient?

    If it is happy days but should there be another layer there?

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    • For comparison, the U.K. black bag contents

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      • Originally posted by DeV View Post
        What I mean is the layering (while static) of up to:
        L/sleeved breathable base layer
        UBACS (possibly)
        Norge
        Snugpak
        Smock
        W/P Jacket (if required)

        Sufficient?

        If it is happy days but should there be another layer there?
        Dev.Seriously when would you ever need to wear all of that? You dressing up as fortycoats or something??
        "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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        • Originally posted by X-RayOne View Post
          That's my entire point...now you've got it!!
          The whole idea of dpm introduction was one standard uniform that was suitable for all types of wear.....both barrack days and tactical use.
          Introducing items that are only for one or the other just defeats the original intention.
          Ok so.Lets get rid of the Snugpak,Driflos,Driflo shorts and long johns,UBACS,Shemag,Elmer Fudd Hat,DPM waterproofs,Goretex Boots,Boonie hat etc etc.
          None of those items were part of the original DPM kit.Time moves on though and so does necessity.

          You never answered my question though.When did you leave the PDF?
          "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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          • Originally posted by apod View Post
            Dev.Seriously when would you ever need to wear all of that? You dressing up as fortycoats or something??
            The whole point is it needs to be suitable for all climates, desert, jungle, home, arctic

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            • Originally posted by DeV View Post
              The whole point is it needs to be suitable for all climates, desert, jungle, home, arctic
              It's not and nor should it be.We tried that when the DPMs first came out.It doesn't work. The so called "summer trousers" were not suitable in the Leb or Timor.Hence the advent of the tropical trousers which later became the summer trousers across the board.
              The Temperate DPM was not suited to Afghan either.Hence the Desert DPM's were born.
              "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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              • Christmas 2018.Nearly 2 years since the tender went out and still no sign of the new kit apart from photos of prototypes.
                WTF is going on??
                "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                • Originally posted by apod View Post
                  Christmas 2018.Nearly 2 years since the tender went out and still no sign of the new kit apart from photos of prototypes.
                  WTF is going on??
                  Look closer at the photos of the trial body armour.

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                  • Originally posted by Rhodes View Post
                    Look closer at the photos of the trial body armour.
                    I did.Those are some of the photos I was referring to.Prototypes.
                    "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                    • First of the 2018 pattern kit starting to make an appearance.
                      2018 Wicking t-shirts now on issue.Same material/colour as the 2017 model but the rank velcro and tricolour are now back.
                      "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                      • What is the position at the moment for outsize orders like size 16 boots and so on is there a form to fill out
                        "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                        "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                        • Any word on the new operational trousers coming on stream or are they still trial items only?
                          Aut viam inveniam aut faciam.

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                          • Originally posted by trellheim View Post
                            What is the position at the moment for outsize orders like size 16 boots and so on is there a form to fill out
                            Leave it with me and I will get back to you.

                            Originally posted by Captain Edmund Blackadder View Post
                            Any word on the new operational trousers coming on stream or are they still trial items only?
                            Still on trial.
                            "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                            • New Shirt now coming on stream.
                              No chest pockets. Pen pocket on left sleeve as per previous design.
                              UBACS pocket on right sleeve. Exact same design as on the issue UBACS.
                              Yuck.
                              It's like it doesn't know what it wants to be. A Barrack shirt or a combat shirt.
                              Move the pen pocket to the lower left sleeve just above the cuff and wadi the pocket flap. Then replace with a UBAC pocket. The shirt would be symmetrical then at least. Replace the current collar with a mandarin collar that can be folded down when not in use. Now you can use the shirt as an alternative to the UBACS in the field under body armour when it's cold with a Norgie underneath.
                              "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                              • Not sure if you have found the same problem Apod, but I have stopped using pen pockets completely on our uniform as too often the contents have been launched accross a vehicle while removing seat belt.

                                I don't see the logic of removing chest pockets unless you intend it to be worn under body armour. In what situation is it normally expected to be worn?
                                For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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