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    Soldier 2017

    what's on the list this time??
    The people of England have been led in Mesopotamia into a trap from which it will be hard to escape with dignity and honour. They have been tricked into it by a steady withholding of information. The Baghdad communiqués are belated, insincere, incomplete.....It is a disgrace to our imperial record, and may soon be too inflamed for any ordinary cure.We are to-day not far from a disaster.

    T.E. Lawrence, 2 Aug 1920.

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    is it the BMW 1200s that they are testing.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by X-RayOne View Post
    what's on the list this time??
    FR UBACS
    FR T-shirts
    New smock
    new waterproofs
    new socks
    new Shirt
    New trousers
    new boonie hat
    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
    -- Field Marshall Earl Wavell.1948

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    pretty much all the basics then. Any hints as to major changes for the better being suggested? or just tinkering with current designs?
    The people of England have been led in Mesopotamia into a trap from which it will be hard to escape with dignity and honour. They have been tricked into it by a steady withholding of information. The Baghdad communiqués are belated, insincere, incomplete.....It is a disgrace to our imperial record, and may soon be too inflamed for any ordinary cure.We are to-day not far from a disaster.

    T.E. Lawrence, 2 Aug 1920.

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    What's new about the trousers, smock and shirt?
    I knew a simple soldier boy.....
    Who grinned at life in empty joy,
    Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
    And whistled early with the lark.

    In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
    With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
    He put a bullet through his brain.
    And no one spoke of him again.

    You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
    Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
    Sneak home and pray you'll never know
    The hell where youth and laughter go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buck View Post
    What's new about the trousers, smock and shirt?
    check PM's
    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
    -- Field Marshall Earl Wavell.1948

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    Apod. I'd appreciate a pm on the difference if you can spare a lil time. Thanks 😄
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    Also!

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    lol...may as well spill the beans Apod!!
    The people of England have been led in Mesopotamia into a trap from which it will be hard to escape with dignity and honour. They have been tricked into it by a steady withholding of information. The Baghdad communiqués are belated, insincere, incomplete.....It is a disgrace to our imperial record, and may soon be too inflamed for any ordinary cure.We are to-day not far from a disaster.

    T.E. Lawrence, 2 Aug 1920.

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    What happened with the boots contract in the end, did they just buy more haix?
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    That's the interesting thing.there never was a new boots contract.
    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
    -- Field Marshall Earl Wavell.1948

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    Anyone get eyes on the new shirt? Are we keeping the dfi branding?

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    Haven't seen the proposed item yet.Tender likely in the new year.
    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
    -- Field Marshall Earl Wavell.1948

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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    New smock
    Wouldn't do any harm to follow French lead for smock design. Felin T4. A well thought out piece of kit with following details:

    CBA friendly front closure and chest pockets
    integral elbow pads and pockets
    underarm pit zips
    detachable hood
    rear external poacher pockets (especially like!!)

    matching combat trousers equally well specced and thought out

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    The people of England have been led in Mesopotamia into a trap from which it will be hard to escape with dignity and honour. They have been tricked into it by a steady withholding of information. The Baghdad communiqués are belated, insincere, incomplete.....It is a disgrace to our imperial record, and may soon be too inflamed for any ordinary cure.We are to-day not far from a disaster.

    T.E. Lawrence, 2 Aug 1920.

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    The under arm zips are the job for ventilation.

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    I have had the Felin suit in my hands.Over complicated for general issue to our lads.Keep it simple stupid.
    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
    -- Field Marshall Earl Wavell.1948

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    What's the craic with the above arse pockets on the smock?
    I knew a simple soldier boy.....
    Who grinned at life in empty joy,
    Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
    And whistled early with the lark.

    In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
    With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
    He put a bullet through his brain.
    And no one spoke of him again.

    You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
    Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
    Sneak home and pray you'll never know
    The hell where youth and laughter go.

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    The Old OG combat jacket had (internal)arse pockets on them, and became the ideal place to store all manner of noms, and personal admin stuff. Given the amount of time an infantryman spends prone on their stomach, the days of massive internal and external chest pockets must be gone.
    Interesting start point.
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    The OG pockets were on the inside and hence never used. I tried to several times and it never worked out
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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    The OG pockets were on the inside and hence never used. I tried to several times and it never worked out
    Everything bar two features of the old Combat jacket was useless.
    The zipped chest pockets and the large rear poachers pocket that the jacket could fold into to form a handy pillow.
    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
    -- Field Marshall Earl Wavell.1948

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    Quote Originally Posted by smegers View Post
    The under arm zips are the job for ventilation.
    Need to ventilation, otherwise the damp/cold will wick the heat out of you when you stop moving

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buck View Post
    What's the craic with the above arse pockets on the smock?
    First featured on Arktis Sniper smocks

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    Got a Felin T4 smock off a French chap while I was overseas... Great bit of kit.

    We'll never go for something like that on general issue... Too many people who never actual do any ground work would be giving out that it doesn't look good while on the square or some such nonsense.

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    Everything bar two features of the old Combat jacket was useless.
    The zipped chest pockets and the large rear poachers pocket that the jacket could fold into to form a handy pillow.
    That was the new OG jacket ! , the old OG smock had pockets like our current smocks. Both of them were shite when it rained or you sweated

    Also since back then FCA were not issued smocks technically we could not wear them ( like barrack jackets but the PAs enforced taking them off FCA men at the barrack gate ) and so we had to do tactics in SD1 so seeing this thread is a massive bonus..
    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    I have had the Felin suit in my hands.Over complicated for general issue to our lads.Keep it simple stupid.
    Whats your thinking behind that Apod?
    Bearing in mind I haven't laid hands on one, it seems no different to a well designed technical mountaineering jacket, etc. Plenty of lads can use them in their civvy time perfectly well.

    Plus a detachable hood, pit zips and elbow pads that will actually stay in place. Whats not to like?

    What's the craic with the above arse pockets on the smock?
    Handy for keeping soft items on person all the time. Hood from the jacket, rain gear, norgie, etc.
    The people of England have been led in Mesopotamia into a trap from which it will be hard to escape with dignity and honour. They have been tricked into it by a steady withholding of information. The Baghdad communiqués are belated, insincere, incomplete.....It is a disgrace to our imperial record, and may soon be too inflamed for any ordinary cure.We are to-day not far from a disaster.

    T.E. Lawrence, 2 Aug 1920.

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