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  • Originally posted by spider pig View Post
    Apod have you heard anything on plate carrier trials?
    Also I agree. Wearing the boot at the moment o/s. Not sure how it’ll fare in wet season which isn’t the glen. But I’ll post anything I can
    Not going to be a plate carrier.Report doesn't recommend it. Procurement board not convened yet. Report still being reviewed by the general staff.

    As for the scouts.Talking to the lads the other day who were issued them for the 113th. No maintenance items issued with them. Was that an oversight? Did ye get anything with yours? If not what have ye being using to maintain them?
    And as for the Goretex membrane in them. It's the summer weight(extended comfort) GTX not the old style insulated version. Hope ye got good socks for the winter months!!
    "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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    • @apod, that’s a sure sign it will be plate carriers

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      • Got a good look at the new Kit bag the other day.
        Exact same as the british issue "Black bag" except in Olive green with FF badge on one side.
        Made by Seyntex.Rated to 30Kg.
        Carrying handles,Shoulder strap.Reinforced corners.
        Velcro concealed ID panel. Padded back section with concealable shoulder straps. Fastex buckle closed compression straps .
        2 x external documents pockets on sides. 1 x external zipper pockets on each end.
        Internal clear rubber "wet Pocket" on one end.
        Internal two compartment zipper pocket on each side.

        In short an absolute monster of a bag. Looks good with great functionality.
        Currently issued to overseas and new entrants and all eventually.
        I have a feeling this item could become one of the best items of issued kit in years.
        "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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        • Doe they not recommend body armor with molle or the literal plate carriers that hold the front and rear plate?

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          • Originally posted by Hobo hunter View Post
            Doe they not recommend body armor with molle or the literal plate carriers that hold the front and rear plate?
            Sorry.Could you rephrase your question in a legible fashion please.
            "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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            • Originally posted by apod View Post
              Sorry.Could you rephrase your question in a legible fashion please.
              Sorry got disturbed half way though that and never proof read it, are they not recommending plate carriers in favor of body armour with molle or a different set up entirely

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              • Originally posted by Hobo hunter View Post
                Sorry got disturbed half way though that and never proof read it, are they not recommending plate carriers in favor of body armour with molle or a different set up entirely
                No. Plate carriers have been not recommended as they are unsuitable where there is a possibility of the exposure to Fragmentation hazard. Laser cut MOLLE has been recommended however.
                "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                • Originally posted by apod View Post
                  No. Plate carriers have been not recommended as they are unsuitable where there is a possibility of the exposure to Fragmentation hazard. Laser cut MOLLE has been recommended however.
                  Interesting notion with the laser cut MOLLE. Do any other nations use it in any large capacity yet or is it still mostly a private purchase thing? Those trousers for the Cambrian Patrol look far superior to the ones uploaded a few months ago! do these have any hope of being issued ahead of the ones with the dire slanted pockets?

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                  • Originally posted by BorderBandit View Post
                    Interesting notion with the laser cut MOLLE. Do any other nations use it in any large capacity yet or is it still mostly a private purchase thing? Those trousers for the Cambrian Patrol look far superior to the ones uploaded a few months ago! do these have any hope of being issued ahead of the ones with the dire slanted pockets?
                    USMC just placed an order for new Plate carriers with laser cut MOLLE.
                    As for the trousers.My understanding is that those are trials kit and if they do go on general issue they will be solely for field use. The Regular trousers will remain alongside.Whether they go on issue with the Wonky pockets is still up in the air.The updated kit is massively overdue at this stage.
                    "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                    • A better Picture of the Tactical trousers. Kneepads not fitted.
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                      "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                      • Arktis again??

                        Tactical trousers only for field use....combat trousers for normal use
                        Smock only for field use.....barrack jacket for normal use
                        Tactical shirt for field use.....shirt for normal use

                        the whole concept of a single multi-purpose uniform seems to be slowly being eroded back to the 80's.....working dress and combats.
                        going backwards instead of deveoloping i fear.
                        An army is power. Its entire purpose is to coerce others. This power can not be used carelessly or recklessly. This power can do great harm. We have seen more suffering than any man should ever see, and if there is going to be an end to it, it must be an end that justifies the cost. Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain

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                        • Arktis again??
                          Arktis made the original ones for the Wing. The current trials item is made by Seyntex.

                          Tactical trousers only for field use....combat trousers for normal use
                          Smock only for field use.....barrack jacket for normal use
                          Tactical shirt for field use.....shirt for normal use

                          the whole concept of a single multi-purpose uniform seems to be slowly being eroded back to the 80's.....working dress and combats.
                          going backwards instead of developing i fear.
                          I don't think that's really fair comment. Things have moved on and what seemed like a good idea then is not necessarily a good idea now.
                          Back when the DPM's came out the word IED wasn't even a thing. Now CIED is a major consideration. Nobody gave a fiddlers about "Flash effect" outside of the NS(AC?). Now FR properties are De Riguer in modern soldiers combat uniforms. Behind armour effects were not considered either when it came to what we wore under CBA nor was heat illness, as we wore CBA rarely.
                          Now we wear it for virtually everything.

                          Also as regards to the Barrack Jkt and smock. The smock would have been grand if officers hadn't insisted in having Ceremonial parades and inspections in them and when they did insisting that they be "good" IE Unfaded/new. Smocks fade and wear out at a faster rate due to their construction and primary mode of use.The Barrack Jkt was introduced as unless you nuke it it hardly fades and is a low maintenance garment for everyday use. It also reduces the wear out time on the Smocks thus saving Johnny taxpayer money.

                          So in short the uniform IS developing.Just not the a nearly 22 year old study group imagined at the time.We now have a modern uniform comparable with the best out there.A little dated in design in some areas(Smock/trouser/Shirt) but that is being dealt with. My only hope is that in doing so functionality and appearance win out over cost as nobody wants a return to the "elvis" collar days.
                          Last edited by apod; 25 October 2018, 18:42.
                          "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                          • Originally posted by apod View Post
                            Artis made the original ones for the Wing. The current trials items is made by Seyntex.



                            I don't think that's really fair comment. Things have moved on and what seemed like a good idea then is not necessarily a good idea now.
                            Back when the DPM's came out the word IED wasn't even a thing. Now CIED is a major consideration. Nobody gave a fiddlers about "Flash effect" outside of the NS(AC?). Now FR properties are De Riguer in modern soldiers combat uniforms. Behind armour effects were not considered either when it came to what we wore under CBA nor was heat illness, as we wore CBA rarely.
                            Now we wear it for virtually everything.

                            Also as regards to the Barrack Jkt and smock. The smock would have been grand if officers hadn't insisted in having Ceremonial parades and inspections in them and when they did insisting that they be "good" IE Unfaded/new. Smocks fade and wear out at a faster rate due to their construction and primary mode of use.The Barrack Jkt was introduced as unless you nuke it it hardly fades and is a low maintenance garment for everyday use. It also reduces the wear out time on the Smocks thus saving Johnny taxpayer money.

                            So in short the uniform IS developing.Just not the a nearly 22 year old study group imagined at the time.We now have a modern uniform comparable with the best out there.A little dated in design in some areas(Smock/trouser/Shirt) but that is being dealt with. My only hope is that in doing so functionality and appearance win out over cost as nobody wants a return to the "elvis" collar days.
                            It needs very serious cost benefit analysis

                            The more SKUs (eg 2 different types of shirts) that you have the more some of your costs will increase (and the increased risk of stockout (which isn’t really monitored at the minute)).

                            But if there is a dramatic difference in the cost and the nominal (through normal wear and tear) life span it does make sense.

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                            • I don't think we can really put a cost on human lives and welfare can we?

                              The normal shirt is needed for everyday wear.By everyone.
                              The UBACS is needed for those occasions when we are doing shooty stuff.Operating in warm climates,and/or driving around in big metal IED targets.

                              Both have their place. The normal shirt is unsuited to operational tasks and the UBACS is over specced and more costly for day to day Barracks use.
                              That's just the shirt . If you consider that we used to ,and should still have IMHO, a female specific shirt(wider at the hips) and a male shirt but going forward we will have one type of shirt to kit out both genders.One that looks good on neither gender BTW, than they will have achieved their savings but failed in the functionality and appearance area.
                              "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                              • Absolutely but we don’t need a barracks and a field shirt for example, just a shirt and a UBACS (wonder could they be done completely DPM just for DPM outer?)

                                Imho the original design shirt was relatively ok for both genders in field and barracks. Not prefect but ok.

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